Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[cqaigy2]

They also have setbacks for safety reasons.

Seems like i've seen an electric cabin warmers for aircraft, but that was many years ago.

 

[cqaigy2]

I have more confidence in GM building quality cars than Tesla. If Tesla can do it then GM or any traditional automaker will do it better. I do give credit to Musk for the innovation.

If you'd said Ford, i might believe you. Made my own, "stirring the pot" meme.

 

[shooterdon]

You have a meeting announcing ya want the members attending to build 40-50% of their new vehicles 8 years from now as zero emission vehicles.
Not sure why you would invite the manufacturer who is already at 100%.
The first manufacturer to produce a truck that can tow 12,000 pounds for 350 miles without stopping is going to make a lot of money.

Not if it costs $125k...LOL

 

[airbiscuit]

I have more confidence in GM building quality cars than Tesla. If Tesla can do it then GM or any traditional automaker will do it better. I do give credit to Musk for the innovation.

I remember a Popular Mechanics article about Smokey Yunick being given $100k to develop a plastic engine for Ford. The interview asked "No offense, but why would Ford hire you to do this. They have hordes of engineers on the payroll, and you don't even have a degree?" He said "They just want a proof of concept. They would spend $100k on meetings, while I am busy just building and testing."

He did successfully make a plastic engine. Innovation and grit beats Beauracracy.

 

[shooterdon]

I keep wondering how this (40-50% of new cars EV) will all pan out...

Don't taxes on fuel pay for roads?
Don't areas like CA currently have shortages of electrical power?
I saw EV's take less than 1/2 the labor to assemble. How does the UAW stay Democratic?
Where are they putting 2 million more charging stations and who pays for them?
What happens to the private sector that invested in gas stations?

Thinking if Harris wins in 2024 and 2028 I need to buy a bunch of 5-6 year old F150's. I only have two now.

 

[sd455dan]

Tesla is not angling for a corporate bailout. Pay attention to the wording of the OEMs. They understand just as Tesla and Nissan lost billions the first ten years of making EVs so will the OEMs. Who does GM expect to repay the 35 billions they are borrowing to play catch up to Tesla?

I agree, there may have also been some push back from the labor unions as well.

Not sure whether Musk would have had time to attend the executive Order signing.
Elon has been Very Very busy with SpaceX lately, with all hands on deck getting the super heavy booster 4 and star ship SN 20 stacked for the 1st orbital flight.

They installed 29 Raptors in a single day on the Super heavy each having over 1/2 million pounds of thrust through the full flow engines.

Super Heavy is nuts @ 16 million #'s of thrust- more than double the thrust of the Saturn V First stage.

WoW they stacked them overnight.

SpaceX stacks Starship atop massive booster for 1st time to make the world's tallest rocket

Sorry for the thread drift. Back to BE Cars

 

[Oaktree]

The first manufacturer to produce a truck that can tow 12,000 pounds for 350 miles without stopping is going to make a lot of money.

I'm not so sure. What percentage of vehicle sales are trucks with that kind of towing capacity? Pretty small. Most buyers rarely if ever tow.

I keep wondering how this (40-50% of new cars EV) will all pan out...

I don't think it will, certainly not by 2030 as these pie in the sky predictions say.

I have more confidence in GM building quality cars than Tesla. If Tesla can do it then GM or any traditional automaker will do it better. I do give credit to Musk for the innovation.

I agree. Tesla's build quality is on par with a late 70s K-car. GM's been building cars for 100 years, it's not going to take them a decade to "catch up" to anybody.
Tesla's gonna have to change their whole sales/distribution/service model if they ever want to be more than a niche player, albeit one that gets a lot of attention. As for Musk himself, I'm leaning more toward huckster than innovator.

 

[Jstpssng]

If you'd said Ford, i might believe you. Made my own, "stirring the pot" meme.

Yours just makes me hungry though.

 

[Cat385B]

I'm not so sure. What percentage of vehicle sales are trucks with that kind of towing capacity? Pretty small. Most buyers rarely if ever tow.

All of them, I think?
Truck sales are not based on reality. It’s based on those rare instances.
I hauled a pallet of block once in the last two years, I should have a F450 flatbed.
I have a 5800 pound travel trailer. I need a 3/4 ton. Heck, I might upgrade to a 5th wheel. Better get a one ton diesel.
I work construction, heavy equipment operator. Medium sized company, up to 200 field employees. The amount of young guys or women just starting out that show up to work driving a beater sedan? 10% at best. The amount driving a 1/2 ton (or higher) extended or cc truck? 75%. Our parking areas at large job sites look like the start of the used truck lineup at a large car dealership.
I’m going to guess that 75% of new trucks sold get used as a truck less than 5% of their time on the road.
I don’t have a problem with that, either. Buy and drive what ya want, it’s supposedly a free country.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I agree, there may have also been some push back from the labor unions as well.

Not sure whether Musk would have had time to attend the executive Order signing.
Elon has been Very Very busy with SpaceX lately, with all hands on deck getting the super heavy booster 4 and star ship SN 20 stacked for the 1st orbital flight.

They installed 29 Raptors in a single day on the Super heavy each having over 1/2 million pounds of thrust through the full flow engines.

Super Heavy is nuts @ 16 million #'s of thrust more than double the thrust of the Saturn V First stage.

WoW they stacked them overnight.

SpaceX stacks Starship atop massive booster for 1st time to make the world's tallest rocket

Sorry for the thread drift. Back to BE Cars

I thought like many others that Tesla would tank until landing two rocket boosters at the same time when putting a Tesla in space.

BYD (connected to Warren Buffett) and Tesla are the only two profitable EV makers today.