Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Jstpssng]

Those aren't the people I mean. I currently live in the metroplex, there are a ton of pickup owners who have them 100% as a masculinity signal. They don't tow anything, but they have hitches to show their team allegiances.

The issue with your premise is that if those people were not needlessly driving up the new prices, you could either buy new or buy used for much less. I am in the market and it is rare to find a 4wd pickup being sold used that is priced low enough to make it preferable to new. It used to be a vehicle dropped in value driving it off the lot. Now, the initial drop is much, much less and the financial benefits in terms of interest rates are better for new...of course, if you have the cash to buy that would not matter.

Right now due to the chip shortage finding anything, new or used, is a challenge. Last year at this time I was shopping for a pickup while wondering if I would be better off waiting; but didn't want to dump any more money into my Ranger and needed something. I was looking at new but ended up with a low mileage Colorado. I'm thankful now that I didn't wait.

At the time I was considering a 3/4 ton, 4x4 regular cab... list price for any of the big three, without all of the bells and whistles was around $37K.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Phillips 66 to acquire stake in NOVONIX as demand for EV battery materials rises

Fossil fuel industry is starting to morph into renewal energy industry more and more as they prepare for 2050 business climate.

 

[VroomVroom]

I just hope that when the tractors go battery powered, they set aside some battery power for a sound recording of a Diesel engine so we can at least still have the noise of a diesel while tractoring.

 

[Grumpycat]

If someone has a travel trailer that they pull three or four times a year, they could have a pickup truck that needs to seat five people comfortably and 99% of the time it's far more than what they need, but that other 1% you can't replace it with much of anything else.

Righteous Prius-types like to rage about "pickup trucks". When I owned a Prius and a Powerstroke F-250 I would counter that few could afford the a luxury of having both. That I could drive the F-250 everywhere for less additional cost than I pay gas, tax & tag, insurance, and depreciation, on the Prius. That the F-250 can do the Prius's job but the Prius could not do the F-250's job. That in having a Prius I was being a worse environmental consumer.

 

[/pine]

Billionaire-backed mining firm to seek electric vehicle metals in Greenland

Mineral exploration company KoBold Metals, backed by billionaires including Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, has signed an agreement with London-listed Bluejay Mining (JAY.L) to search in Greenland for critical materials used in electric vehicles.

www.reuters.com

 

[Jstpssng]

Righteous Prius-types like to rage about "pickup trucks". When I owned a Prius and a Powerstroke F-250 I would counter that few could afford the a luxury of having both. That I could drive the F-250 everywhere for less additional cost than I pay gas, tax & tag, insurance, and depreciation, on the Prius. That the F-250 can do the Prius's job but the Prius could not do the F-250's job. That in having a Prius I was being a worse environmental consumer.

The only difference is that with two vehicles you are able to incur wear and tear on the cheaper, disposable Prius, while the F250 sat in the garage until you need it.

You are right though. Not everybody can afford to do that, which is why I have the Colorado. If money was no object I'd have an F350 with dump for heavy use and plowing, Wrangler for off road and plowing, with a Hyundai for a beater.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I'm wondering if anyone would like to predict the demise of General Motor or Ford. I've read more than a few posts here hinting at it. As I've mentioned before, I have a small position in Ford and I don't think they're going anywhere. I don't see a repeat of the Asian invasion of the 70's during the gas crunch. By the way, they both survived that.

Kevin

 

[airbiscuit]

Even without EVs, Hyundai and Kia are taking their customers.

 

[Jstpssng]

I know that my purchases don't amount to a p-hole in the snow but I am leaning toward Ford for my next vehicle as GM has phased out my nearest dealer, meaning another 50 milesbeyond the 50 I already drive if I needed service. 10 miles also the closest of any of the foreign fleet.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

In another 5 years the Ford GM stories should be more clear.

China is turning out to appear weaker than I expected in EV exports. While their internal status is never fully known I gather that Delta is hitting them much harder than they have had to deal with covid-19 before.

They are pumping out a lot of cheap EVS for internal consumption. They are shipping some of their better EVs to Europe. I don't see China ruling the USA EV market like the Japanese did 50 years ago gas sipping small cars and trucks. EV sales in the USA are greatly lagging Europe and China.

Tesla should be able to supply the USA $50K - $100K car/truck marketplace move down into the $30K market.

By the time Tesla can get 10 factories online they should be able to cut their prices of today by $10K to $20,000 per vehicle.