Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal

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Raul-02

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kioti DK4710 SE HST CAB
I went internet shopping for the filters for my DK4710. Must have wasted an hour.
I paid way less at my dealer than I saw anywhere online and I didn't pay for shipping.
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   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #2  
Painful invoice !

My oil filter is a standard Purolator Ag type. $8.
Hydraulic filter is clean and reusable $0
Air filter is a tad pricey at $26.10 (cleanable for up to 5 years, then replace)

Now here's a HUGE tip. DO NOT SHOP around using a Smarty Pants Phone. It's all smoke and mirrors getting you to keep looking and to PAY MORE. I went back to the laptop and can reach many other sites at great prices plus free shipping to avoid the games used on smart phones.
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #3  
I went internet shopping for the filters for my DK4710. Must have wasted an hour.
I paid way less at my dealer than I saw anywhere online and I didn't pay for shipping. View attachment 727210

Just read your location. WOW you are in NJ. I though everyone left that place 10 years ago.

NJ has 7 of the LARGEST ever EPA Super FUND Clean Up sites and has the highest concentration of heavy metals in any given square mile on the planet. I was told that people there don't drink the water nor breath the air, else they are dead shortly thereafter.
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #4  
I went internet shopping for the filters for my DK4710. Must have wasted an hour.
I paid way less at my dealer than I saw anywhere online and I didn't pay for shipping. View attachment 727210
hmmmm

So, I went to oil filter cross reference website, keyed in the first oil filter and got this.
Basically it's the SAME filter used in my minivan and truck. About $6 to $12 depending what store in town you have.

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Can't find the 2nd one other than a mention of the p/n replaced 3 of the Cub Cadets that used the SAME filter on the SAME engines. I wonder if that is a CLUE for WIX, DONALDSON, FRAM and other big brands that do cross reference over. Seems Kioti is keeping the number from cross referencing to keep the markup cost high.

Here's the Cub Cadet p/n's

dd-t4620-38031
dd-t4620-38032
dd-t4620-38033

Take the dd- off and search. ;)
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #5  
I only use factory parts, and there always cheaper at the dealer than online. Even a hydraulic top link was cheaper at dealer than online.
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #6  
I only use factory parts, and there always cheaper at the dealer than online. Even a hydraulic top link was cheaper at dealer than online.

Well for the oil filter I didn't buy online, I went to the local auto store. $8 and no shipping. Saved a bundle over any dealer that's 2 hours away.

(y)
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #7  
I went internet shopping for the filters for my DK4710. Must have wasted an hour.
I paid way less at my dealer than I saw anywhere online and I didn't pay for shipping. View attachment 727210
But you got a great deal on the filters!

I'm trying to support my local dealers by buying from them. If I'm worried about delivery or pricing I'll call the other local dealer.
 
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I only use factory parts,
I would avoid all "Will Fit" or "Recommended for" kinds of hydro filters. Some won't have the by-pass and literally blow the filter off your tractor during a cold weather start up. None will have the correct filter material. None of those will actually meet the specs of the OEM product.
They use language to dance around the actual specs.
I've read that some OEM makers do sell to rebranding markets, but not knowing who they might be, I won't trust them.
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #9  
I would avoid all "Will Fit" or "Recommended for" kinds of hydro filters. Some won't have the by-pass and literally blow the filter off your tractor during a cold weather start up. None will have the correct filter material. None of those will actually meet the specs of the OEM product.
They use language to dance around the actual specs.
I've read that some OEM makers do sell to rebranding markets, but not knowing who they might be, I won't trust them.

MANN-Hummel owns Wix filters. They are the largest to supply the Off-Road, heavy machinery and Ag markets. Next up is Donaldson, then Purolator and finally Fram.

I spend time on RockAuto to verify each brand and options per filter p/n. The site gives full details of by-pass yes/no, micron level ratings, dimensions, thread sizes, seal type, etc.

With Ag equipment, to fine a micro level will restrict flow and starve the engine. That's bad for diesels because of the typical long stroke they have. So, with ANY cross-reference, it's best to know the additional details of what is being considered other than the thread and size being compatible.

So with that much knowledge and digging into the details, one can piece together the rebranding of the pricey filter as the normal filter prices one would expect.

:cool:
 
   / Stupidly convinced I'd get a better deal #10  
I would avoid all "Will Fit" or "Recommended for" kinds of hydro filters. Some won't have the by-pass and literally blow the filter off your tractor during a cold weather start up. None will have the correct filter material. None of those will actually meet the specs of the OEM product.
They use language to dance around the actual specs.
I've read that some OEM makers do sell to rebranding markets, but not knowing who they might be, I won't trust them.

So, going to Rockauto.com let's look at that PH3985 and see how well of a cross reference we get for your
E6201-32443.

Pro-Tec is owned by WIX. We can look at all of them. Just click on the blue [INFO] icon.

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And the WIX

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And the WIX rebranded Pro-Tech

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With all the details above, the FRAM is a no-no because the micron rating is too fine and the flow will be much slower in the engine. The engine will starve for oil circulation.

The WIX is class-B (Better) and the Pro-Tech Class-A (Best). So, Pro-Tech is your best all around great replacement as the E6201-32443. :)
 

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