Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

What fascinates me is where and how the 4th dimension of time fits in. It certainly isn't what we perceive. Or... the wave frequency we exist in; dial it in right and there we are, like tuning to a radio station.

They say ignorance is bliss. However losing the ignorance means you can never go back to the bliss. It's kind of like the statement about EVS once you own one you don't want to go back to the old ways most of the time.

 

[PuffyC]

Tesla shares up 12%, as EV deliveries smash estimates

Tesla sales were up 87% with almost a million vehicles sold and that was with a chip shortage. Production at the new Giga factory in Austin should start this week and it will be able to build a million cars a year all by itself. With demand being what it is they will be able to sell all they can make for the foreseeable future.

 

[txdon]

https://electrek.co/2021/09/23/norw...-point-toward-100-ev-sales-as-early-as-april/

This is mind boggling. No wonder the ICE OEMs are starting to see themselves a dead meat.

I thought in the U.S. we define ICE as any engine that runs on gasoline and do not consider hybrids as an EV.
Is the new definition any vehicle that can run partially on electricity.

They are fudging with definitions. From the above link:
"These statistics do count conventional hybrids as “electrified” – somewhat of a strange designation, since they still get 100% of their energy from gasoline – but all of the top vehicles can run at least partially on electricity. And conventional hybrids make up less than 10% of new car sales anyway."

Please define an EV in the United States. Does it include Hybrids that get 100% of their energy from gasoline?

 

[Agvg]

In Norway the pure ICE market share was 8.4 % gas and diesel, 4.4% gas and 4% diesel.

For hybrids with charging, the share was 20,8% and the rest conventional hybrids.

 

[airbiscuit]

With ICE sales that low, it must mean that at least some in the rural areas are buying EVs?

 

[Agvg]

With ICE sales that low, it must mean that at least some in the rural areas are buying EVs?

Yes, much have changed this year, but we have a charger station problem in parts of the most rural areas, it's becoming better but distances are great and it very rural. And at the moment many that choose ICE is buying used, many are unsure if the value holds up if they buy new. And out in the country side we have more vans, larger SUVs and pickups witch mostly are ICE, most of those are on commercial plates and are not in the same statistics as cars, the EV share in this market is a more modes 15%.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I thought in the U.S. we define ICE as any engine that runs on gasoline and do not consider hybrids as an EV.
Is the new definition any vehicle that can run partially on electricity.

They are fudging with definitions. From the above link:
"These statistics do count conventional hybrids as “electrified” – somewhat of a strange designation, since they still get 100% of their energy from gasoline – but all of the top vehicles can run at least partially on electricity. And conventional hybrids make up less than 10% of new car sales anyway."

Please define an EV in the United States. Does it include Hybrids that get 100% of their energy from gasoline?

The EV Evolution is moving so fast around the world definitions are not well defined so you can just make up your own rules since that seems to be what many people are doing.

 

[PuffyC]

I thought in the U.S. we define ICE as any engine that runs on gasoline and do not consider hybrids as an EV.
Is the new definition any vehicle that can run partially on electricity.

They are fudging with definitions. From the above link:
"These statistics do count conventional hybrids as “electrified” – somewhat of a strange designation, since they still get 100% of their energy from gasoline – but all of the top vehicles can run at least partially on electricity. And conventional hybrids make up less than 10% of new car sales anyway."

Please define an EV in the United States. Does it include Hybrids that get 100% of their energy from gasoline?

The term EV is a catch-all for any vehicle that is powered by an electric motor vs an ICE, hence "electric vehicle". The only difference is where that electricity comes from. Some are purely battery based (plug-in), some are half and half, and some are only charged by driving which includes gas powered generation + regen braking, etc. It may seem counterintuitive to have a gas engine generate the electricity but it's far cleaner and far more efficient than just using a conventional ICE. That's how the original Prius achieved the lowest emissions of any car sold in the US and got over 50mpg even though you never plugged it in to charge.

 

[txdon]

The EV Evolution is moving so fast around the world definitions are not well defined so you can just make up your own rules since that seems to be what many people are doing.

Interesting. I guess the definition of EV will eventually be decided by the government via mandatory law wether it will be zero emissions or have some sort of rechargeable battery like the first generation Prius and just be lower emissions. I sincerely doubt individuals will be able to make up their own rules on defining EV. I'm sure the U.S. definition of EV is completely different than other countries like Norway.

 

[airbiscuit]

EVs sells them selves, when it reaches a level of sales then you friends, people you work with etc will have tried it and may be owning one and most of them will never want to own a ICE again, when that happens more people dare to try and buy, then it's starting to roll.

And they are cheaper to own and use, that is a fact that speaks for itself.

I think that Hertz adding 100,000 Teslas is going to amp up demand for EVs. It will be interesting to watch EVs gain market share year over year.