Kioti Warranty Concerns

[murphy1244]

Slim Pickens when it comes to any Dealers here unless CAT, Yellow Deere and Case.

Originally wanted Deere but nothing to see and weeks to get a return call.

Read about Kubota here on TBN and now have 3 and not one warranty issue.

I have had my Kioti for 12 years and it has never been back to the dealer.. I bought a L series Kubota and had trouble with the 3 point and the dealer took it back.

 

[5030]

Mine both go back to the dealer (Kubota's) to have the overheads set. One is there presently.

 

[DK35vince]

I have had my Kioti for 12 years and it has never been back to the dealer..

I have had mine for 21 years and its never been back to the dealer.

 

[ovrszd]

Richard your question was originally aimed at Vince but I chimed in to give my perspective on how Kioti is positioning itself as a manufacturer within the industry which was my answer to your question. However, to more directly answer your question I say it depends on who you ask. Is Kioti cheaper or is Kubota and Deere just over priced? If you ask me, I think Kioti tractors are priced just right for what you get and the inconveniences that go along with doing business with them. On the other hand I think Kubota is now way overpriced for what you get and not in line with how they have historically positioned themselves and Deere has priced itself out of the market.
So now that I have made my position clear about this I would like to hear you answer your own question.

I responded to your comment, not Vince.

There is a huge disparity in the "World" tractor market versus the "US" market. I've traveled enough to see that disparity first hand. But I'll restrict my thoughts to the US since it's my homeland.

#1. John Deere. Reliability. Technological Advancement. Broad product line. Huge support network.

#2. New Holland. Reliability. Broad product line. Excellent parts availability. Good dealership network.

#3. Case/IH. Reliability. Broad product line. Excellent parts availability. Good dealership network. Under NH only because of numbers in my area. I can't speak for all of the US.

#4. Kubota. Reliability. Widening product line. Excellent parts availability. Very good dealership network. Accessible manufacturer support. Under NH and Case/IH only because of limited product line. That is changing yearly and remains to be seen if they can compete in the AG market. They have already moved into the <200HP market especially in the area of Cattle Ranching, Hay Production. Don't see them much in the row crop market yet.

#5. Massey Ferguson. Reliability. Broad product line. Good parts availability but somewhat limited. Satisfactory dealership network. Under Kubota because of limited product line under 100HP. Excellent world market for their size domestically.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I responded to your comment, not Vince.

There is a huge disparity in the "World" tractor market versus the "US" market. I've traveled enough to see that disparity first hand. But I'll restrict my thoughts to the US since it's my homeland.

#1. John Deere. Reliability. Technological Advancement. Broad product line. Huge support network.

#2. New Holland. Reliability. Broad product line. Excellent parts availability. Good dealership network.

#3. Case/IH. Reliability. Broad product line. Excellent parts availability. Good dealership network. Under NH only because of numbers in my area. I can't speak for all of the US.

#4. Kubota. Reliability. Widening product line. Excellent parts availability. Very good dealership network. Accessible manufacturer support. Under NH and Case/IH only because of limited product line. That is changing yearly and remains to be seen if they can compete in the AG market. They have already moved into the <200HP market especially in the area of Cattle Ranching, Hay Production. Don't see them much in the row crop market yet.

#5. Massey Ferguson. Reliability. Broad product line. Good parts availability but somewhat limited. Satisfactory dealership network. Under Kubota because of limited product line under 100HP. Excellent world market for their size domestically.

Ok good response but you left Kioti/Daedong out. What's your opinion on Kioti/Daedong and how you view them in relation to the other manufacturers?

 

[DK35vince]

So it was cheaper? Isn't that what Bill said?

There is a difference between simply buying something because its cheaper and "value".
If cheaper was my only concern I'm sure I could have found something a lot less $$

 

[ovrszd]

Ok good response but you left Kioti/Daedong out. What's your opinion on Kioti/Daedong and how you view them in relation to the other manufacturers?

Did they make my list of tractor manufacturers being used in the US?

 

[ovrszd]

There is a difference between simply buying something because its cheaper and "value".
If cheaper was my only concern I'm sure I could have found something a lot less $$

Good try. But you know what I meant.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

There is a difference between simply buying something because its cheaper and "value".
If cheaper was my only concern I'm sure I could have found something a lot less $$

This is what I didn't understand for so long when I was growing up. I used to think my dad was a cheapskate and all he wanted was something with a lower price or "cheaper". After he and I went into business together that's when I began to understand the concept of "better value" versus being cheaper. It's not an easy concept to explain and it takes some practice to fully grasp it.

However, as I pointed out in a previous post, there is always some trade off to get the better value. Companies that give better value have a different business model and lower overhead costs from those that don't. As Jeff has mentioned several times on here the labor rates are different between the manufacturers. Then you have to factor in advertising costs, customer service/call center costs, the real estate requirements set forth by the manufacturer which adds to the costs, R&D costs, parts supply chain costs etc. In order to compete they have cut the fat off somewhere and that usually means not playing the business game in the same way. Kioti in particular cut the fat off by not advertising, not offering manufacturer customer service, not having as strict real estate requirements and from what I have been told not having as speedy of a parts supply network in place.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Did they make my list of tractor manufacturers being used in the US?

I don't understand why as they are being bought, sold and used in the US. Additionally, they are the focus of this discussion and thread.