Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming?

   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #41  
LoL...All the graphs in the world don't mean didly squat when they are compiled using convoluted, tainted data...

Like Einstein (or someone) said..."if the data does not fit the theory...change the data"...and that is exactly what the powers that be did...they changed the temperature data...they even admitted it using some lame excuse...too funny...!
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #43  
It is absolutely amazing to me how people think that scientist are all part of a secret evil underground society that is conspiring to trick people into thinking climate change is real. The purpose for them doing this is part of liberal plan to force us all into doing things that are highly inconvenient and will only have the effect of destroying our economy as we know it. To support this belief, these people cherry pick anomalies that can be construed in a context that supports their belief, while choosing to ignore the overwhelming data that discredits their beliefs.

In the end, it doesn't really matter what any one of us believe, what is going to happen is going to happen. Nor does anyone of us know the true extent of the effects (good, bad or indifferent) of dumping vast amounts of each particular human made ingredient into the environment. To bet that some of those ingredients won't eventually have significant dire effects on humanity seems like a rather poor bet to me.
Very good! You summed it up just about right. No one knows “for sure” what affect man is having vs natural events. But a bet against manmade problems is indeed a bad bet.

Also, I have said this before here on tbn: man is taking one form of matter - liquid (oil), bringing it up from under the surface, burning it which changes its form to gases and solids (in the form of particulates) and putting that gas and particulate into the atmosphere.

How can that Not have some effect on things? ( changing matter’s form and moving its location. In large quantity!)

Very bad bet against it having some effect indeed.
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #44  
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We are only here for a finite amount of time anyway. Might as well enjoy it.
Wow! A rare truism. That is why I bought a Tesla. It’s a heck of a lot of fun.
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #45  
If you go to the "new" harbor of ancient Rome. Often called Trajan's Harbor, "Portus," you find that the water level is near exactly were it was in 103 AD. Ostia Antica is not. It got silted up over time and the docks are now a meter or so above the river and high and dry.
If someone wants to state something and doesn't include Land Subsidence, land fall, in the argument then the augment is false and they have a different thing they want to talk about. The East coast of the US is sinking, but the coasts of North Eastern Europe are rising.

Usually a political thing that has nothing to do with climate change.

The world had headlines about the death of a glacier in Iceland. Blamed on global warming.


Yet, later they found that there were tree stumps, under the prior glacier, that it was only 700 years old in the first place, and under an active volcano. Hummm. Its now a tourist attraction with a monument and everything, as the first glacier loss do to GW. And they run hundreds of eco-tourists over gravel roads for hundreds of miles, in vehicles that get less than 12 miles per gallon, so they can stand on it, and take pictures after their 6,000 mile round trip flight on a jet liner.

Then we have the First Mammal to go extinct thingy from Australia that made the rounds.

Five minutes of looking this up, tells you Bramble Cay was never a stable island, and a rather small island, and that the rats that lived, only numbering in the 100's were never established as a distinct species and had probably been killed off in typhoons that wasted over the island, and repopulated occasionally from Rafting Rats from the Fly River.

Australian Rodent Is First Mammal Made Extinct by Human-Driven Climate Change, Scientists Say (Published 2016)




Articles like this, just make me mad, because they are so ill researched. These invasive rats ate the eggs of endangered Green Sea Turtles. They were invasive, so good riddance. I don't think anyone in Austrailia wanted to do DNA tests cause if the rats were just the same as the Fry River rats, then that would change things up. They had many years do these sort of tests. Even to see if they could interbred with other rats, but they didn't for 20 years. And in my reading, seemed to have avoided establishing these rats as a unique species.

Everyone has a game, a self interest, in the Climate Change discussion.

But you would never know this from the NYT article. Or that the Australians had a comfy grant of $250,000 dollars to check on the rats once and awhile, while also deep sea fishing on their boats with attractive female, undergraduates.

Sorry, your party time is over. No more rats, no more 250,000 dollar grant to study them that you knew were invasive in the first place.

There are some concerns about climate change, but the media has to do a better investigative job then just spew out non-sense, or click bait.

Tangier Island in the Chesapeake Bay is sinking, slowly, but mainly it is eroding. All the barrier grasses died due to pollution and run off of over development on the main land. This is never part of the narrative used by the popular media. ITS MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING, RISING THE SEA LEVEL.
Which isn't the root cause. And even the citizens of Tangier will tell you this. But they are dismissed as stupid, inbred, and deeply religious people. Which having visited a few times, I can say they are not, and know The Bay better than anyone as they have to live off it.
Again, something has been turned in to a political redirection that is easier to digest, then unlimited mainland development. That's what we don't want to talk about. :)
 
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   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #46  
Very good! You summed it up just about right. No one knows “for sure” what affect man is having vs natural events. But a bet against manmade problems is indeed a bad bet.

Also, I have said this before here on tbn: man is taking one form of matter - liquid (oil), bringing it up from under the surface, burning it which changes its form to gases and solids (in the form of particulates) and putting that gas and particulate into the atmosphere.

How can that Not have some effect on things? ( changing matter’s form and moving its location. In large quantity!)

Very bad bet against it having some effect indeed.

How do you square up your take on things when you exhale Co2 and methane daily.

Is the atmosphere so fragile that any form of carbon release is considered bad?

this is where arguing in absolutes gets you into trouble. never argue in absolute terms...
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #47  
Wow! A rare truism. That is why I bought a Tesla. It’s a heck of a lot of fun.
No issue with me or whatever blows your dress up. I don't want one myself but then my Cousin has one and if I feel the urge, I can drive his. I'd like a Bugatti Veyron myself. Whole lot more fun than a toaster on wheels.
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #48  
Talk about particulate emissions... Presently, I'm roasting a couple of moldy hay bales in the burn pit. Putting a fog of particulates out and it stinks too. Glad the breeze is blowing away from the house...lol.

Each time I do that, I think to myself, I should have built a bale burner like they use in Europe to heat their homes but I never did. Lots of BTU's and smoke given off those bales.
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #49  
How do you square up your take on things when you exhale Co2 and methane daily.

Is the atmosphere so fragile that any form of carbon release is considered bad?

this is where arguing in absolutes gets you into trouble. never argue in absolute terms...
Absolute? WTH are u talking about? Everyone has been exhaling co2 since man existed. We have not been burning oil since then in large quantities. What am i missing?
 
   / Reducing pollution is contributing to global warming? #50  
Absolute? WTH are u talking about? Everyone has been exhaling co2 since man existed. We have not been burning oil since then in large quantities. What am i missing?
you're missing all the other natural events that release greenhouse gases that get glossed over, and only the burning of fossil fuels are highlighted and called threats.

if you're going to be a climate crusader...be a climate crusader and denounce it all...including the amount of fossil fuels burned to make and charge your batteries.
 

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