The EPA Just Delivered a Solid Kick to John Deere... Right in their Jimmies

[jyoutz]

And it is widely noted that many forests in this country is being left natural, so I was not wrong!

Correct, but I said forest management. This discussion has become tiring. Let’s forget it.

 

[lilranch2001]

California does forest management…..

AND ALL THEIR DEADFALL STAYS IN PLACE!

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Oh FFS! The only reason that 'they' are coming after JD is that they are US American based... all other colours are 'off shore' owned.

'They'll' nail the other colours in time.

AGCO isn't offshore owned, unless they sold out recently.

SR

 

[lilranch2001]

Correct, but I said forest management. This discussion has become tiring. Let’s forget it.

It’s funny how people who have been continually wrong get tired and want to stop the discussion….

 

[jyoutz]

California does forest management…..

AND ALL THEIR DEADFALL STAYS IN PLACE!

Have you tried to understand the situation? Tens of millions of acres of forest lands are in California, more acres than the total size of most states. The land ownerships are a mix of various federal agencies, state, tribal, and private lands. Everyone has different management objectives. High severity wildfires are mostly fueled by high densities of live trees, in addition to down and dead wood. Tens of thousands of acres of timber sales, thinning, and prescribed burning are conducted annually by a mix of all ownerships, but hundreds of thousands of acres need to be treated to reduce high severity fires. There is no market or workforce large enough to treat the hundreds of thousands of acres that need to be treated annually, and this situation exists across the western United States. A nearly impossible task but the forestry community (federal, state, tribal, and private) are doing as much as possible. Human settlements and fire suppression over the past 200 years has created this problem with widespread high severity fires caused by overly dense forests. The immense scale of the situation across the west is often difficult for many people to comprehend: people relate to a couple hundred acres, but the types of management that are conducted at that scale cannot be implemented at the scale of of hundreds of thousands or millions of acres.

 

[lilranch2001]

Have you tried to understand the situation? Tens of millions of acres of forest lands are in California, more acres than the total size of most states. The land ownerships are a mix of various federal agencies, state, tribal, and private lands. Everyone has different management objectives. High severity wildfires are mostly fueled by high densities of live trees, in addition to down and dead wood. Tens of thousands of acres of timber sales, thinning, and prescribed burning are conducted annually by a mix of all ownerships, but hundreds of thousands of acres need to be treated to reduce high severity fires. There is no market or workforce large enough to treat the hundreds of thousands of acres that need to be treated annually, and this situation exists across the western United States. A nearly impossible task but the forestry community (federal, state, tribal, and private) are doing as much as possible. Human settlements and fire suppression over the past 200 years has created this problem with widespread high severity fires caused by overly dense forests. The immense scale of the situation across the west is often difficult for many people to comprehend: people relate to a couple hundred acres, but the types of management that are conducted at that scale cannot be implemented at the scale of of hundreds of thousands or millions of acres.

Ok…. And? So don’t even bother?
AND…….
What is this got to do with you saying I fabricated something about your post?

 

[jyoutz]

Ok…. And? So don’t even bother?
AND…….
What is this got to do with you saying I fabricated something about your post?

It relates to you saying that I was a tree hugger freak who wanted to sit in office and leave nature alone. I said I was involved with management, not preservation.

 

[lilranch2001]

It relates to you saying that I was a tree hugger freak who wanted to sit in office and leave nature alone. I said I was involved with management, not preservation.

Annnndddddd now who is putting words in who’ s post….. What was the word you used!?!?!

Oh yeah. FABRICATION

I never said to leave nature alone..

Not once has a tree hugger been mentioned in this thread, and this is the first thread you and I have ever had any interaction with each other…

I never called you a freak!

and if I remember correctly you mentioned first that you were a firefighter, or forest firefighter….. something to that affect…. But you tend to go off on tangents so maybe I’m not totally clear….

You really have some thin skin, and take things way to seriously if you are imagining these things!

I’m sure the federal gubberment has really good insurance plans, maybe you could go see a professional and discuss why you feel like you need to stretch the discussion the way you do!

 

[jyoutz]

Annnndddddd now who is putting words in who’ s post….. What was the word you used!?!?!

Oh yeah. FABRICATION

I never said to leave nature alone..

Not once has a tree hugger been mentioned in this thread, and this is the first thread you and I have ever had any interaction with each other…

I never called you a freak!

and if I remember correctly you mentioned first that you were a firefighter, or forest firefighter….. something to that affect…. But you tend to go off on tangents so maybe I’m not totally clear….

You really have some thin skin, and take things way to seriously if you are imagining these things!

I’m sure the federal gubberment has really good insurance plans, maybe you could go see a professional and discuss why you feel like you need to stretch the discussion the way you do!

I told you that I did forest management. That’s way broader than fire fighting. I explained it to you, but you still keep bringing up tangential thoughts and demonstrating that you cannot grasp the scale of what we do on federal lands vs your small woodland. I started off trying to explain that there’s a lot of good professionals working in government, and of course some duds just like in the private sector. Bashing the people who work in government is shallow minded and offensive. I’ve worked in both government and the private sector. They aren’t much different when you look at the dedicated professionals and duds. You seem way too focused on gubberment hating, so I understand where you’re coming from. There’s no sense in continuing this discussion. I’m going to bed.

 

[Yander]

Do we need to get you two a set of boxing gloves.