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[2manyrocks]

Solar energy might get to the point that oil is not needed. At least cars are more fuel efficient than the gas guzzlers of the 1970s.

 

[Torvy]

Would you prefer this?

How Is Oil Formed In The Earth | Science-Atlas.com

Oil and petroleum products explained . An introduction to crude oil and the products that are produced from crude oil refining. Crude oil and other...

science-atlas.com

The sources are just quick internet searches, but they are based on the science.

Here's an actual scientific study if you'd rather read that way.

Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation

Open access peer-reviewed chapter

www.intechopen.com

 

[rScotty]

Here's an actual scientific study if you'd rather read that way.

Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation

Open access peer-reviewed chapter

www.intechopen.com

Why choose those? They support my arguement, not yours. Both of those studies support the time frame that I used and which is well accepted. - not the pseudo science of the previous posting.

But here's a suggestion: Geological science is a bit too well supported to be overthrown by random internet pseudo-scientific articles, although I'm sure you can find plenty of those if you search. But pulling up articles from the fringe isn't going to change the reality.

And I doubt that made-up articles will do much to change the accepted knowledge either.
After all, it is exactly that accepted knowledge which the petroleum drillers and engineers rely on today to guide their work.

rScotty

 

[Torvy]

Why choose those? They support my arguement, not yours. Both of those studies support the time frame that I used and which is well accepted. - not the pseudo science of the previous posting.

But here's a suggestion: Geological science is a bit too well supported to be overthrown by random internet pseudo-scientific articles, although I'm sure you can find plenty of those if you search. But pulling up articles from the fringe isn't going to change the reality.

And I doubt that made-up articles will do much to change the accepted knowledge either.
After all, it is exactly that accepted knowledge which the petroleum drillers and engineers rely on today to guide their work.

rScotty

My point was that oil is constantly being formed and it is not really a fossil fuel. Not really just pressure treated biomass. Those studies prove that. Not pseudo Science at all, just emerging science that pokes holes in accepted myth.

The biomass theory is the flat earth or sun revolves are the earth sort of thing of the past. Everyone believed the wrong theory until they didn't. The only reason this is not front and center has to do with the politics, not the science.

 

[rScotty]

My point was that oil is constantly being formed and it is not really a fossil fuel. Not really just pressure treated biomass. Those studies prove that. Not pseudo Science at all, just emerging science that pokes holes in accepted myth.

The biomass theory is the flat earth or sun revolves are the earth sort of thing of the past. Everyone believed the wrong theory until they didn't. The only reason this is not front and center has to do with the politics, not the science.

The difference is the rate and production of the process, not the process itself. Clearly the science works. Keep in mind that it is not just a scientific theory, but a mature technology based on that theory that is being used all over the world to tap into oil today.

Many articles say that the process is continuous, but they also say that the rate changes the output. And that is the point they are making. Not surprising, most processes produce at a rate dependent on conditions.

In this case the initial conditions for a rate to produce well include a saturated carbon rich atmoshere, a dense biomass, techtonic activity over eons, and then a few million years to deposit commercial quantities.

That isn't flat earth, and wishing won't make it work.
Don't you find it a bit odd when people believe what they wish for instead of what is all around them?

 

[Hay Dude]

Where did you hear that? It's true in essence, even coal is ultimately formed in that process. But just to get to oil requires tens of millions of years as well as a biomass covering an earth having a whole different climate - like in the time of dinosaurs.
Good for what comes after, but I'm afraid people will be long gone by them.
rScotty

Yeah but that process continues. It didn’t just stop one day lol

 

[rScotty]

Yeah but that process continues. It didn’t just stop one day lol

Come on, now. Put on your thinking cap. You can't fool me because I've seen you wear it.

A process continues at what any rate it goes. Sometimes a flood, and other times a drip so low that it might as well be stopped... but it isn't stopped just because it is too low to measure or to use.

 

[Hay Dude]

Come on, now. Put on your thinking cap. You can't fool me because I've seen you wear it.

A process continues at what any rate it goes. Sometimes a flood, and other times a drip so low that it might as well be stopped... but it isn't stopped just because it is too low to measure or to use.

Are you using projection again Rscotty? Use your head for something other than a hat rack!

Decaying vegetation & matter continues on and on forever in the oceans, settling to the floor. It’s not just dinosaurs. We may be extracting more than the earth can make, but the process never stops.
You know that!

 

[milkman636]

My point was that oil is constantly being formed and it is not really a fossil fuel. Not really just pressure treated biomass. Those studies prove that. Not pseudo Science at all, just emerging science that pokes holes in accepted myth.

The biomass theory is the flat earth or sun revolves are the earth sort of thing of the past. Everyone believed the wrong theory until they didn't. The only reason this is not front and center has to do with the politics, not the science.

There are processes happening inside the earth and other celestial bodies that science does not yet understand. The deepest man-made bore hole has only penetrated about 7 miles into the crust. The mantle remains completely unexplored.

Based simply on the abundance of ancient dinosaur and sea-life remains found near the earth's surface, and the depths they are discovering increasingly larger deposits of oil, the position that oil is a byproduct coming from deeper sources within the earth's mantle makes sense.

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[rScotty]

Are you using projection again Rscotty? Use your head for something other than a hat rack!

Decaying vegetation & matter continues on and on forever in the oceans, settling to the floor. It’s not just dinosaurs. We may be extracting more than the earth can make, but the process never stops.
You know that!

Ok. I'll give it one last shot and then done. Gotta put some time into my real job today.

Change of rate is the concept you - and several others - are missing here. It is true that it is a more difficult way to think than using our old "one at a kind" or "simple cause and effect" concepts. But Rate of Change is basic to much of higher science and math. What it means is that things that are interconnected often run at different rates. That is, they run exponentially in time and that makes them complex by definition.
It also turns out that much of the natural world. - maybe all of nature - is complex, and . We know that because the effects of experiments are most accurately predicted when they are modeled exponentially.

So if you want to better understand natural processes, it means giving up on the old seductively simple and easy kind of linear thinking. It is just too limiting to do much good. But I do understand the appeal, and wish the world was that simple too.

rScotty - I'm done on this.It was fun, now time for work.