Cummins fined $1.675 Billion for gaming their diesel emissions.

[RandyT]

In the small engine world engines on equipment kept getting bigger. In the late 90's it was common for a push mower to have a 3.5-3.75 hp engine. Starting around 2004 with the beginning of the emission standards they started fitting bigger engines. there is no way that you can convince me that a late 90's 3.5 hp engine put out more pollution than a modern 7.5 hp on the same mower. Riding mowers were 10-12 hp and now look. Most are averaging 20-26 hp. So they are running cleaner burning engines that are consuming more fuel.

Nephew grinds stumps after tree removal and above the 30-35 hp range they were all diesel engines up until tier 4. and now most of them are gas engines. Use to be that a stump grinder of 100 hp was a big grinder, and now there are several over 100 hp including one running a 165 hp Ford gas engine. And that is supposed to be more efficient than a smaller more capable diesel engine.

 

[ultrarunner]

Are you implying that the EPA is an enemy of the people per say? They might invent new rules and legislations because they want job security, but think of this:

Whenever i drive behind an 80s carbureted car, i either overtake them or follow 50 meters behind them. Sometimes i need these reminders, to remind what traffic smelled like during my childhood. It may have went over the top about 15 years ago, but in the first 25 years of emission legislation, it did improve our quality of life.

Unleaded fuel with CAT since 1973 in California...

With so many things the greatest improvement is often or most bang for the buck and less costly early on...

It's trying to squeeze the last few percentages that may not be possible...

 

[lilranch2001]

Like I said. Gubberment overreach

 

[tradosaurus]

Soon as I can defeat the wasteful emissions crap off of my tractor I will do it.

Somehow that $1.675 billion fine won't be eaten by Ram but by the consumers.

I wonder when passenger jets will be required to have emissions equipment?

 

[Hay Dude]

IH could comply, but the CEO was stupid stubborn by going against his engineers.

Thats right. One man‘s hubris.

Cummins luck was that they had aquired experience with SCR because their European branch adapted to the local market. All other US engine manufacturers quit or were bought by Europeans. Deere changed their mind halfway, when Navistar got into severe problems with EGR only.

Well, that makes sense since your prized & superior European companies have been at this for a lot longer. Dude, back off a little. We aren’t all stupid dolts in the USA

 

[Renze]

Well, that makes sense since your prized & superior European companies have been at this for a lot longer. Dude, back off a little. We aren’t all stupid dolts in the USA

True, in Europe, Scania even offered both EGR/DPF as well as SCR solutions for Euro 4, the customer could choose. Both systems were equally and thoroughly evaluated in real life, years before the US.

During the same time, Navistar was filing complaints at the EPA that SCR systems proposed by competitors, couldnt guarantee emissions at all times, and promising the EPA that Navistar was going to deliver a system that met emission limits without delay of preheating the DEF tank on cold mornings. Thereby blocking the technology from admission by the EPA, and its development by manufacturers.

The difference between Europe and the US was just this one guy and the influence of his unsubstantiated claims at the EPA. So what Dan Ustian of Navistar did, had far greater consequences than bringing his own company to a near bankrupt, he held back the entire US industry. The final consequence of all this, is that the US truck engine industry lagged behind and got taken over by European companies.

Cummins on the other hand, got SCR experience on the European market where both technologies had been given equal opportunity, therefor knew the inevitable, and was fully prepared for the day the EPA would finally admit SCR tech as legit.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think we all know Cummins is a great company and although they will suffer, they will emerge as the same great company producing prized diesel engines.
Any I really like the European engines like Sisu, Man, etc.

 

[lilranch2001]

Personally, I feel that the EPA tends to do whatever they can to knock down American companies as much as they possibly can

 

[nybirdman]

Recently a Central NY mechanic was fined $250,000 plus 5 year jail term for defeated diesel emissions.

 

[lilranch2001]

Gotta love New York…..