Buying Advice Tier V emission standards soon for new diesel engine tractors?

[AndyMA]

Solar System, all electric house (heat pumps), 20,000 miles a year in Tesla Model 3 electric bill $11.41 month

 

[tradosaurus]

Solar System, all electric house (heat pumps), 20,000 miles a year in Tesla Model 3 electric bill $11.41 month

How much was your solar system?

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

But what did it cost to generate that bill?

Last I was approached, they wanted almost $30k...

In ten years... That $30k, is actually $60k.

So, to break even, Id need to save $6000 per year, over a 10 year period.

That is the math problem I have with it, as I don't spend that on electricity AND gas combined, in a year.

 

[tradosaurus]

But what did it cost to generate that bill?
Last I was approached, they wanted almost $30k...
In ten years... That $30k, is actually $60k.
So, to break even, Id need to save $6000 per year, over a 10 year period.
That is the math problem I have with it.

My estimate was similar. Unless the state and fed gov't gave a lot of subsidies for home owners solar power doesn't make any sense for me.
And solar panels start degrading in efficiency by day 1.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm an anomaly when it comes to my solar...

When I bought in 2017 the home came with an unfinished system with components purchased in 2009 by the owner builder.

My first project after settling in was to complete the build from materials that came with the house and get grid tie utility approval...

My 6 kW system cost me some time and under $400 out of pocket to completion.

I was asked if I wanted the seller to haul off the hardware and I said no... just leave it.

Even in 2017 components from 2009 were obsolete and of little value.

 

[Hay Dude]

Like the gov't does with gas and diesel?

Well, of course, but what I’m guessing you don’t understand is electricity is far easier & more efficient forthem to regulate than pumped fuels from a million gas stations.
Every Kw from an electrical supplier is taxed immediately and part of the customers bill.

I mean lets get real. A little kid knows electric cars are subsidized by the government and can be controlled by the government.

 

[Hay Dude]

When Russia invaded Ukraine, Elon Musk turned off all the Teslas in Russia.

For me, this is why the Government wants everyone driving an EV

Yep.
Like I said, it’s all about control

Liquid fuel is harder to control and it gives our citizens more freedom.


Freedom is what we are losing with each passing day.

 

[EddieWalker]

Yep.
Like I said, it’s all about control

Liquid fuel is harder to control and it gives our citizens more freedom.


Freedom is what we are losing with each passing day.

Every year, gas and diesel vehicles are being equipped with more advanced technology to spy on you when you are driving. I just read that new cars are able to read what's on your smart phone and copy your pictures. Pretty soon, lead boxes are going to be sold as aftermarket accessories for new cars!!!!

 

[Hay Dude]

My wife typically stays out of these controversies suggested we buy a 70’s or early 80’s car with no/minimal electronics “just in case”.

I was like…..dayum.

 

[Snobdds]

Tier 4 removes about 95% of the particulate matter. Tier 5 only gets another 2.5%.

Just like in anything, you will never get to 100%. The last 5% is always the most costly and hardest to obtain with greatly diminishing returns.

So they are going to nuke life as we know it for 2.5%. We are governed by idiots.