Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower

   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #71  
For some commercial businesses, those mowers probably make a lot of sense. Most people don't understand the impact of employee costs. If you provide benefits, it's hard to imagine an all-in employee cost of less than $40/hr. So after 2000 hours, the mower cost is less important than the labor costs. With the capacity of those mowers, they would be money savers over 72" commercial mower in the second year of use.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #72  
I test mowed a nice Ferris Zero Turn at my nearby NH dealership. When I asked about the 0% financing option they told me "you can do that a for an 8% premium on the purchase price"! - LOL!, WTH?
Made me reconsider my relationship with them. (It is where I bought an NH compact utility tractor, years ago.)

Your dealer probably needs to work on his customer communication, but he's probably not being a jerk. Sometimes the manufacturers require the dealers to subsidize the 0% financing. What he should have done was quoted you a price and told you that was with 0% financing. Then he should have whispered that he would give you 8% off if you paid cash.

When I bought my JD years ago, they offered 0% for up to 5 years. For 3 year financing, the price was the same, cash or financed. Over three years, the price went up because the dealer had to subsidize the additional financing. They explained all that to me up front.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #73  
For some commercial businesses, those mowers probably make a lot of sense. Most people don't understand the impact of employee costs. If you provide benefits, it's hard to imagine an all-in employee cost of less than $40/hr. So after 2000 hours, the mower cost is less important than the labor costs. With the capacity of those mowers, they would be money savers over 72" commercial mower in the second year of use.
You make a valid point, but I'm not sure I agree with the numbers. If they're putting 2k hours on a machine every year, it's not making money after 2 years... it's being sold! 😛

I suspect down time and lost business due to high-hours equipment keeps more small business owners awake at night, than any predictable employee or equipment cost.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #74  
I'm wondering how many mowings you'd need to make to pay off the difference in a diesel versus gasser mower. Anyone care to take a stab at it? Mileage is better, but diesel isn't exactly free, either. I mow 3-4 acres every 3 - 5 days, and I don't think I could manage to rack up enough in fuel savings to offset the higher price of the diesel, I'm guessing only a commercial outfit is going to be able to make those numbers work.

As to maintenance, I've owned my mower almost 20 years, and have not had a single expense related to the engine, other than yearly oil and filter.
Wish I could say that. New blades every year with sandy soil, a couple new spindles because even on their 'professional models' Cub uses geaseable from the top spindles but neglects to remove the inner seals so the bearings fail.. You pump grease to nowhere. Once I figure out the issue and removed the inner bearing seals my issues vanished as they were getting greased. Then there are the anti-scalp wheels that need replaced every couple years as well Got wise with them as well and drilled grease passages in them as well. I have no issue running the F series diesel because unlike a conventional ZTR, they hold their resale value very well and are in high demand. I paid over 6 for my M50 Tank at got 1800 on a trade. Not a good return on investment. I forgot about the belts that need replaced every other year as well, so no the ZTR wasn't a maintanence free machine by a long shot and my F series rides much better (has an air ride seat) as well. I really don't care for mid mount mowers anyway, especially after running the F series. The mower goes under our many trees with no issue. The mid mount always gave me bloody arms when I tried the same the same thing.

The F series is all drive shaft and the blades are driven with oil filled right angle gearboxes. No belts and the F series is a hydrostat infinite speed control and it has a power steering wheel, I like that better than the Oars any day.

Sure it cost appreciably more but again, they hold their resale value and don't depreciate much, if any.

Besides, the diesel engine will be humming along, long after your gasser bites the dust and you either have to sell it for about nothing or replace the motor and I got news for ya, those motors ain't cheap. Even the Predator at HF is pushing a grand.

Finally, you have to do valve adjustments regularly or your gasser will eat the camshaft and that is a well proven fact also a fact is that pot metal block you have with no bearing inserts will last maybe 2000 hours, maybe, if you change the oil and filter in a timely manner. I mow my yard plus 2 rental properties so I do acreage on a regular basis. And yours is air cooled so you better be pulling the shroud and cleaning the chaff out from the cylinder fins as well. Mine is water cooled so no fins to fiddle with either.:rolleyes:

Want to keep comparing or is that enough?
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #75  
Years back I worked for a contractor mowing 400 acres of campground, day use are and boat ramps for the the army core of engineers.

We had two 72 inch, one 54 inch and two 48inch grand stands.

One of these would of made a huge difference. We had 5 days to mow it all and start over the next Monday. It was 16 hour days 5 days a week every week in the summer
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #76  
New blades every year... a couple new spindles... the bearings fail.. the anti-scalp wheels that need replaced every couple years as well... I forgot about the belts that need replaced every other year as well...
It sounds like you just have bad luck with equipment, or are generally harder on it than one really needs to be. I ran the original blades on my ZTR for more than 15 years, almost exactly 1000 hours, and they still look good. I swapped them because I wanted a more aggressive blade, but could have easily run them another 15 years. I still have all three original 2007 spindles, and anti-scalp wheels. All of my original belts lasted 15 years (nearly 1000 hours), as well... in fact I'm still running the original 2007 primary pump drive belt at 1200 hours.

Besides, the diesel engine will be humming along, long after your gasser bites the dust and you either have to sell it for about nothing or replace the motor and I got news for ya, those motors ain't cheap. Even the Predator at HF is pushing a grand.
I've owned more than one mower or garden tractor with a 50+ year old engine, still running fine. I'm not sure why you'd expect an engine to self-destruct, just because it runs on gasoline. :rolleyes:

My 1963 Cub Cadet, Kohler K301, still running fine when I sold it about 8 years ago. My 1971 Toro walk-behind, with a Briggs engine, still running fine after 53 years. I expect the 2007 Kawi on my ZTR will outlast my use of it.

Finally, you have to do valve adjustments regularly or your gasser will eat the camshaft and that is a well proven fact...
Fact??? Not really. First, what do you call "regularly", because for me, the 300 hour recommended interval works out to every fourth or fifth year. I don't mind that.

As to actually needing to do it, I've never actually had to make any major adjustment, they're always still in the recommended range. I make small adjustments, just to put them right in the middle of the range, but could probably go 3 x 300 hours before they really need adjustments... because I change my oil and filter every year. I average 72 hours per year, but have had one year as heavy as 102 hours and a few in the 90's.

also a fact is that pot metal block you have with no bearing inserts will last maybe 2000 hours, maybe, if you change the oil and filter in a timely manner.
I guess we will see! I'm at 1200 hours now, and may be ready to give up mowing or move to another machine, by the time it hits 2000 hours in 11.5 years. Or... it may be just fine. 😛

I mow my yard plus 2 rental properties so I do acreage on a regular basis.
Good for you. I only mow my own yard.

And yours is air cooled so you better be pulling the shroud and cleaning the chaff out from the cylinder fins as well.
Yes. There is an air intake screen and oil cooler that just get blown off with my leaf blower, when I'm blowing off the deck after each use. No extra time, I'm already blowing off the deck, seat, etc.

There are also three access panels in the shroud, that should be opened and blown out with compressed air every 100 hours. I do this once per year with my January maintenance, and it takes all of about 5 minutes.

Mine is water cooled so no fins to fiddle with either.:rolleyes:
You do know water just moves the heat to a radiator, which is air cooled? :ROFLMAO: Plenty of tractors and other machines overheat, because their radiator is blocked with grass. You need to keep your machine breathing clear, no matter whether the engine is cooled directly by air, or if you're moving that heat to an air-cooled radiator.

Want to keep comparing or is that enough?
Whatever you want, big guy. No one asked, and I suspect no one really cares about your unique situation, or mine. I'm just answering because you seemed to be responding to my post.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #77  
Wish I could say that. New blades every year with sandy soil, a couple new spindles because even on their 'professional models' Cub uses geaseable from the top spindles but neglects to remove the inner seals so the bearings fail.. You pump grease to nowhere. Once I figure out the issue and removed the inner bearing seals my issues vanished as they were getting greased. Then there are the anti-scalp wheels that need replaced every couple years as well Got wise with them as well and drilled grease passages in them as well. I have no issue running the F series diesel because unlike a conventional ZTR, they hold their resale value very well and are in high demand. I paid over 6 for my M50 Tank at got 1800 on a trade. Not a good return on investment. I forgot about the belts that need replaced every other year as well, so no the ZTR wasn't a maintanence free machine by a long shot and my F series rides much better (has an air ride seat) as well. I really don't care for mid mount mowers anyway, especially after running the F series. The mower goes under our many trees with no issue. The mid mount always gave me bloody arms when I tried the same the same thing.

The F series is all drive shaft and the blades are driven with oil filled right angle gearboxes. No belts and the F series is a hydrostat infinite speed control and it has a power steering wheel, I like that better than the Oars any day.

Sure it cost appreciably more but again, they hold their resale value and don't depreciate much, if any.

Besides, the diesel engine will be humming along, long after your gasser bites the dust and you either have to sell it for about nothing or replace the motor and I got news for ya, those motors ain't cheap. Even the Predator at HF is pushing a grand.

Finally, you have to do valve adjustments regularly or your gasser will eat the camshaft and that is a well proven fact also a fact is that pot metal block you have with no bearing inserts will last maybe 2000 hours, maybe, if you change the oil and filter in a timely manner. I mow my yard plus 2 rental properties so I do acreage on a regular basis. And yours is air cooled so you better be pulling the shroud and cleaning the chaff out from the cylinder fins as well. Mine is water cooled so no fins to fiddle with either.:rolleyes:

Want to keep comparing or is that enough?
I might add that you can by an F series front mout mower with a climate controlled (as in heated and air conditioned if you wan that and a dedicated bagging system as well plus they accept many attachments like snow blowers, plows and power brooms.

All depends on the depth of your wallet. A new machine will set you back around 22 grand and the loaded one is over 30. I bought a used one, well cared for and always dealer serviced. It belonged to the local fair bord. Most of them wind up in commercial service anyway. They traded it in on a new F series front mount btw and I got it for what my dealer gave them on trade which was close to nine grand btw. It has a 72" 3 blade deck, side discharge and the cut is hydraulically adjustable and the mower deck tilts up for easy cleaning. They certainly not for everyone but for me it fills the bill nicely and my wife still has her own ZTR but it don't get used much anymore. Hers has a steering wheel as well.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #78  
Got news for everyone, Kubota does the same thing with their 0 percent financing deal. They all do it actually. They just weave it into the price differently.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #79  
I ain't no big guy but thanks for the compliment anyways. Far as keeping the radiator clean, I also use a battery powered blower to clean off the deck and the rad, every time I use it but then I do the same with my tractors as well, or will this year. Next year both will be sporting reversable cooling fans. Maybe I'll do the F Series as well. Have the fans sitting in the shop, just need time to install them. Shop is very busy presently. Doing a big plasma cut job for Ford Motor. Just received 25 thousand pounds of 1/4" hot rolled sheet the other day. My shop Saber will be very busy for a couple weeks. Hope I have time to mow the lawns....lol Love good income jobs.
 
   / Just saw my first $80,000 lawnmower #80  
I think one important factor for the commercial guys, which might be lost in all this debate over maintenance and longevity, is how well one technology or brand does over another, when poorly-maintained. As a homeowner paying for my own equipment, and who only does ~100 hours per year per machine, I take really good care of it. But a commercial outfit running their machines 200 hours per month in-season may be more prone to skipping or otherwise missing maintenance intervals.

I always wonder, when I hear about mowers catching fire after use... did the guy not take the 10 seconds to blow it off after use, or the 5 minutes to blow out the cylinder cooling at least once per year? Likewise, when I hear of seized motors, and start wondering how many hundreds of passed since their last oil change.

Some tech (diesel vs. petrol) and some brands are surely more or less sensitive to poor maintenance practices.
 

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