EV owners of today and tomorrow

[WinterDeere]

Takes electricity to run a heat pump, for the battery and cabin. In cooling mode it’s nothing more than an air conditioner.

True, but we really need to look at the numbers, to make any sense of it.

It takes an average ~340 Wh/mile to push these cars around town. It takes an average 0.5 - 5 kW to cool a car in summer heat. So, even if you leave the thing sitting in a hot parking lot for a full hour in Florida with the cooling running, it's only knocking your range down by less than 15 miles.

If you assume average travel speed of 30 mph, the cooling will cost you 16 to 160 Wh per mile. That will reduce your range by 4.5% to 32%.

I heard Tesla figured out how to run their heat pumps on pixie dust or Taylor Swift music. So that zero impact on batteries or range, summer or winter extremes.

There's impact, but for most people in most climates, it's not enough to be a big deal in daily driving. Extremes will always exist, I have a buddy in Fairbanks who has had many an ICE completely disabled by the cold (frozen batteries, frozen oil, gelled fuel, etc.). But most people don't deal with such extremes.

 

[wawajake]

True, but we really need to look at the numbers, to make any sense of it.

It takes an average ~340 W/mile to push these cars around town. It takes an average 0.5 - 5 kW/hour to cool a car in summer heat. So, even if you leave the thing sitting in a hot parking lot for a full hour in Florida with the cooling running, it's only knocking your range down by less than 15 miles.

If you assume average travel speed of 30 mph, the cooling will cost you 16 to 160 watts per mile. That will reduce your range by 4.5% to 32%.


There's impact, but for most people in most climates, it's not enough to be a big deal in daily driving. Extremes will always exist, I have a buddy in Fairbanks who has had many an ICE completely disabled by the cold (frozen batteries, frozen oil, gelled fuel, etc.). But most people don't deal with such extremes.

Yep.....but here in Canada I have summer heat of 85 to 90 degrees F for a month or more and a month or more of winters at minus 20 degrees F........but ourleft wing leader still has EV mandates forcing Elec cars on us in next decade and using our tax money to help the market give us cars that don't work well for us and meanwhile our distances between travel needs don't change magically. That is why I make sure to expose the weaknesses these EVs have , that are glossed over otherwise.

 

[sd455dan]

Hot temps, reduced range.

Record-breaking heat taking a toll on electric vehicles

Recent extreme temperatures in the Panhandle have caused several issues for those with electric vehicles.

www.newschannel10.com

Interesting. I have read Tesla's heat the batteries for supercharging and temps well into the 130*F range are pretty normal.

That F150 just saw 100x the stress the Cyber Truck did, and nothing failed. I'm actually really damn impressed!

A Heavy Duty 3/4 or one ton by Ford Chevy or Ram would have faired even better.

True, but we really need to look at the numbers, to make any sense of it.

It takes an average ~340 W/mile to push these cars around town. It takes an average 0.5 - 5 kW/hour to cool a car in summer heat. So, even if you leave the thing sitting in a hot parking lot for a full hour in Florida with the cooling running, it's only knocking your range down by less than 15 miles.

If you assume average travel speed of 30 mph, the cooling will cost you 16 to 160 watts per mile. That will reduce your range by 4.5% to 32%.


There's impact, but for most people in most climates, it's not enough to be a big deal in daily driving. Extremes will always exist, I have a buddy in Fairbanks who has had many an ICE completely disabled by the cold (frozen batteries, frozen oil, gelled fuel, etc.). But most people don't deal with such extremes.

Tesla must be doing something right on improving the watt hour per mile.

Bjorn Nyland just finished another efficiency test. This time a new Highland Model Y and he got above 5 miles per KWH on his 600 mile 60 MPH standard course( < 200 Watt Hour Mile)

Another 600 mile test at 70 MPH also resulted in watt hour efficiency that beat every other car he has ever tested. IIRC He sets the interior temp to 72*

EV tech really is advancing everyday.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

WhistlinDiesel Proves Ford F-150 Frame Tougher Than Tesla Cybertruck https://fordauthority.com/2024/08/w...rd-f-150-frame-tougher-than-tesla-cybertruck/

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

My next vehicle will be a truck. Wife's next will probably be an EV, but that is still 5 years off. Prices will probably come down and the used market will be flush with options.

 

[Grumpycat]

Remember 6-7 months ago, "cold temps, reduced range". Dumping power into ac or heat is going to take a toll on battery.

Mostly the “problem” is how the battery does not release the energy it holds at uncomfortable temperatures. The energy is not lost or spent.

 

[Grumpycat]

I bought our 2010 F-150 6 years ago with 205,000, mi on it and now it has 225,000 mi on it and it's an awesome engine. The last two model years they went to the mustang high volume oil pump and that cut down the problems with the valve train running dry and failing over time. I gave $7,600 for it and it's going to be a while before I can find a cyber truck for $7,600 I expect.

Bought my 2018 F-150 XLT first day of 2019. Has embarrassingly few miles yet. Bought with heavy year end discount before the COVID insanity. Expect to keep a long time unless something significant happens.

Doubt I’d trade even for a Lightning or Cycbertruck.

 

[tradosaurus]

That would get tomatoes thrown at you in my house!

You got feminazi's at your house?

 

[Grumpycat]

Yep.....but here in Canada I have summer heat of 85 to 90 degrees F for a month or more and a month or more of winters at minus 20 degrees F........but ourleft wing leader still has EV mandates forcing Elec cars on us in next decade and using our tax money to help the market give us cars that don't work well for us and meanwhile our distances between travel needs don't change magically. That is why I make sure to expose the weaknesses these EVs have , that are glossed over otherwise.

What weaknesses? ICE have plenty of weaknesses too, but many are used to those and forget about it, then when an EV is even slightly different then that is game changing end of the world.

Is wrong for government to pick winners and losers. When government chooses the selection is always wrong even if it would have been right as an individual choice. Sadly when government chooses it is difficult to know what an individual would have done for themselves.

 

[WinterDeere]

That is why I make sure to expose the weaknesses these EVs have , that are glossed over otherwise.

Yep... all good. But some choose to gloss over similar problems of ICE's in extreme climates, and pretend only EV's are somehow affected.

...but ourleft wing leader still has EV mandates forcing Elec cars on us in next decade and using our tax money to help the market give us cars that don't work well for us and meanwhile our distances between travel needs don't change magically.

Definitely a problem, but really only a small exhibit of the larger problem with modern first-world government. They're all choosing the winners and losers, favoritism is how business is done and fortunes are built, in the post-Y2k world. It's sad, but EV's are not the only shining example of this problem.