EV owners of today and tomorrow

[CloverKnollFarms]

My buddy's Model 3 will lose a lot more than 1% in the winter months. He parks at the airport for days on end, and in 4 days its much more than 4% as I recall.

 

[tradosaurus]

All I see here is people argue stuff they can’t possibly fully understand.

You mean, people who have never owned an EV arguing against EV's?

 

[tradosaurus]

If you do not know then you have missed completely what motivation is causing the push for EVs world wide......but then you seriously think the earth is flat, so you miss a lot it seems.

You really are infatuated with FE.

I will invite you again to PM me and to discuss. I can speak to you from an engineering point of view or just a common sense point of view.

 

[tradosaurus]

Agreed. Old stored gas can cause issues, but it's not as simple as % energy loss per day. Moreover, the battery is always losing some charge, even when driven daily, whereas an ICE driven even moderately will suffer no loss from storing a little gas in the tank week to week.

However, I think it's also a stupid point to even debate. I don't think any EV owner is honestly worried about 1% per day charge loss, if it's really even that high. Non-issue, other than another small factor to consider when calculating total yearly fuel usage.

The 1% is credible given my Tesla keeps cabin temperature at 95F during the summer while parked. BUT, where the EV shines is in stop/go traffic. It will more than make up that 1% loss.
You want to see waste? Drive my F250 diesel in stop/go traffic. Not only is it exhausting to drive but wastes fuel idling.
Speaking of oil, look up "oil is a renewable resource". Since the earth is not millions of years old, where does the oil come from? If it's almost an infinite resource the only way to keep the price (like diamonds) is to control the quantity.

 

[wawajake]

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In cold climates ICE does not use waste heat. Heats the cabin with energy which would otherwise not be shed under those conditions. ICE gets poorer MPG in the cold, especially considering warmup

You lost your " engineering degree " with that statement........ wow ! But it is fun to see you spend hours typing defection and twist.

 

[tradosaurus]

Oooh! How many months can I park an ICE with a full tank of gasoline before the gasoline goes bad? 6 months? That is 180 days or 0.05% per day. Not much different.

In cold climates ICE does not use waste heat. Heats the cabin with energy which would otherwise not be shed under those conditions. ICE gets poorer MPG in the cold, especially considering warmup.

EVs do not have to use battery power to warm the cabin before departure, if connected to shore power for charging. Tesla app has a climate control page to control the HVAC away from the vehicle. Also has a "be ready at" timer which will heat/cool the battery and the cabin as necessary prior to your departure.

The ethanol in gas really does a number on small equipment if left unused in the tank for months. That's why I use non-ethanol fuel in my zero-turn and SXS. I use the canned fuel for my chainsaws. Some use fuel treatment in their generator to keep the fuel from going bad.

 

[tradosaurus]

My buddy's Model 3 will lose a lot more than 1% in the winter months. He parks at the airport for days on end, and in 4 days its much more than 4% as I recall.

If your buddy keeps Sentry mode on and the cabin temperature controls low, the Tesla will definitely lose more than 1% / day.
Your buddy needs to take an uber to the airport.

 

[lman]

The most honest metric of resource consumption is the dollar.

Under 3¢/mile to fuel my Tesla. 10¢/mile at 30 MPG and $3.00/gallon.

Arguing "efficiencies" and "losses" is playing numbers games without weighing for the true cost and effort.

As an engineer it is fun to look at efficiencies and losses looking for a better way. But is erroneous to cite efficiencies and losses as proof one has found a better way.

Is that when you're hauling cattle to the sale barn or a load of hay to the barn or maybe a light load of only a couple of horses to the state park?

 

[D&D]

Since the earth is not millions of years old, where does the oil come from?

Just another one of your misleading facts

 

[D&D]

The ethanol in gas really does a number on small equipment if left unused in the tank for months. That's why I use non-ethanol fuel in my zero-turn and SXS. I use the canned fuel for my chainsaws. Some use fuel treatment in their generator to keep the fuel from going bad.

The superior EV is only the ones you tell us are superior. You still rely on ICE. Your ego can’t stop itself. You could be a character in Batman