EV owners of today and tomorrow

[In.the.Piñons]

Last years Model Y dyno-ed over 500 at the wheels as well. Hot rodding the Y around I don't think I have been able to get below about 70 Mpge because of the 8-10 cent KWH grid we have here.

Maybe that ought to be a new sales ad for Tesla Performance Models Go enjoy Very spirited 500+ HP driving and still get better fuel economy than many 150 HP economy cars.

Here's a vid of the MYP vs a $80K 495hp C8 Corvette. The vet is a little faster at speed, but it's still a pretty close race. It worth noting that the Tesla's motors start de rating their HP after 50mph due to the very small tolerances between the rotor and the stator. Only the carbon wrapped motors on the Plaids can spin at high rpm and maintain that stator/rotor gap at full power.

So in other words the MYP is only 500hp up to 40-50mph or so and after that power drops off significantly. At top speed it's only making about 325hp IIRC.

What makes the MYP launch so fast in the real world is that unlike an ICE car, you don't have to rev it up, waiting for the light to go green. Who does that anyway? I'd feel like an idiot revving my engine at a stop light. The tesla just silently teleports you half way to the next intersection in the time everyone else takes to put down their iPhone and realize the light's changed.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

ICE makers in USA and Europe are deciding they don't have the know-how or wealth to give Tesla any serious competition but only plan to downsize going forward. This is becoming obvious as I drive by our local Ford dealership. Now it's about a 75 mile drive to buy a Lincoln.

 

[Dftodd]

We get those crazy dumpings too, almost tropical-level intensity... but that never lasts very long. So, you go inside and make dinner, and then head back out to the driveway 30 minutes later to plug in. Opinions will vary, but for me, this still beats driving to a gas station and waiting by a pump.

Now, if I could have my ICE and a gas pump in my own garage, that'd be great. But our fuel usage is not high enough to justify that, or to keep fuel fresh in any reasonable delivered quantity.

You haven't experienced an Arkansas thunderstorm that goes on all night long.

Those heavy rains you mentioned don't last for an hour and are gone. We can get torrential downpours that last up to 8 hours.

 

[Dftodd]

Also, charging on 110v is almost a no go. Like 3 miles per hour of charging? People can't string extension cords to their cars and keep them charged

That wouldn't work. My wife has a 45 mile commute one way. Even if she put the car on the charger each night, it would give her about a 60 mile deficit on her battery each day. By Thursday, making it home from work would be sketchy.

 

[sd455dan]

Here's a vid of the MYP vs a $80K 495hp C8 Corvette. The vet is a little faster at speed, but it's still a pretty close race. It worth noting that the Tesla's motors start de rating their HP after 50mph due to the very small tolerances between the rotor and the stator. Only the carbon wrapped motors on the Plaids can spin at high rpm and maintain that stator/rotor gap at full power.

So in other words the MYP is only 500hp up to 40-50mph or so and after that power drops off significantly. At top speed it's only making about 325hp IIRC.

What makes the MYP launch so fast in the real world is that unlike an ICE car, you don't have to rev it up, waiting for the light to go green. Who does that anyway? I'd feel like an idiot revving my engine at a stop light. The tesla just silently teleports you half way to the next intersection in the time everyone else takes to put down their iPhone and realize the light's changed.

I agree.
The Y is quick out of the hole but it does definitely lose the advantage up top. Above 55 or so is where some Hot V8's will run them down.

It is amazing how far performance has come since the early 1960's. A stock 4 speed 64 GTO was barely into the high 13's. The mid 70's to early 1990's were terrible years for performance with a few exceptions like ethe turbo Buicks. Now high 11's are pretty common The Plaid is a Vette killer in that race. The 2024 M3P will eat that Vette as well. The 2025 Zora hybrid Vette is over 650 HP quite the animal.

 

[WinterDeere]

Maybe that ought to be a new sales ad for Tesla Performance Models Go enjoy Very spirited 500+ HP driving and still get better fuel economy than many 150 HP economy cars.

I honestly thought that was their original ethos and marketing. Wasn't that the thought that inspired the original founders of Tesla, "let's build an EV that's actually fast, and isn't boring"?

So in other words the MYP is only 500hp up to 40-50mph or so and after that power drops off significantly. At top speed it's only making about 325hp IIRC.

This is interesting, as it's exactly what I noticed when I drove the model 3. I have owned a lot of fast cars, but that crappy little model 3 was really snappy off the line, absolutely instantaneous throttle response, with really strong pull up to 30 mph and behind. However, the thing sort of fell on its face around 50 mph, just gave up the ghost, and had very little pull at highway passing speeds.

I didn't know anything about motor tolerances being the limiting factor, or that there was an intentional stepping-down of available motor torque or power above a certain speed.

You haven't experienced an Arkansas thunderstorm that goes on all night long.

Those heavy rains you mentioned don't last for an hour and are gone. We can get torrential downpours that last up to 8 hours.

Record single-storm rainfall for the entire state of Arkansas is only 16.17 inches. Ours is 34.50 inches, more than double anything ever seen in Arkansas, and more than 30" of that storm fell inside just a 6 hour window. You don't need to tell me about rain.

But these are once in a lifetime events, not daily life. More often, those showers that will soak you thru just running from your car to the back door pass through pretty quickly, leaving plenty of time after to plug in your car and fetch the groceries from the trunk.

 

[sd455dan]

I honestly thought that was their original ethos and marketing. Wasn't that the thought that inspired the original founders of Tesla, "let's build an EV that's actually fast, and isn't boring"?

I guess it was and since Tesla does very little advertising unlike ford GM and Chrysler Tesla does not fill up the Superbowl or local TV with dealer ads either.

This is interesting, as it's exactly what I noticed when I drove the model 3. I have owned a lot of fast cars, but that crappy little model 3 was really snappy off the line, absolutely instantaneous throttle response, with really strong pull up to 30 mph and behind. However, the thing sort of fell on its face around 50 mph, just gave up the ghost, and had very little pull at highway passing speeds. The new non rare metal 4D1 hairpin motors are supposed to be much more like the Plaids motors in how they keep puling up top

The new M3P keeps puling hard from all reports except the ones going to the UK with LG batteries, some reports are that combo is down even from the previous year. Some new 2024 model 3 P owners have run 2.9 second 0-60's without roll out subtracted and here is a first timer at a 1/4 mile running a 10.957 @ 123MPH

I didn't know anything about motor tolerances being the limiting factor, or that there was an intentional stepping-down of available motor torque or power above a certain speed.

On the new Model 3 Performance Sticking with the NCA 21700 batteries and the new 4D1 non rare materials hairpin rear motor is what allows pulling much harder in the above 50 MPH speeds without going to the all out Plaid motors, older Performance 3 and Y's have the 3D1 motors

 

[WinterDeere]

I wanna "like" your post, but most of what you have shown in my quotes are things I never typed!

 

[DarkBlack]

So in other words the MYP is only 500hp up to 40-50mph or so and after that power drops off significantly.

The chart I saw, showed that power level roughly between the motor speeds of 3,500 to 5,000 rpm’s. It falls off pretty sharply below that, which makes sense because you don’t have the rpm’s with the single speed transmission, and more gradually above those speeds.

Who, other than Tesla engineers really know how much of the dramatic drop in motor torque above 4,000 rpm’s is due to air gap concerns due to centripetal force of the rotor, or simply the normal torque drop of the electric motor without severe over driving them.

If they’re purposely limiting torque and resulting HP above 4,000 rpm’s or 50 mph as you stated, and if it is due to concerns of thermal expansion closing the air gap(1.5 mm?) then you would think they would allow roll ons, like 40-70 mph to be driven at full power to the motors since you wouldn’t have the heat build up in the rotor, and resulting thermal expansion from a standard start 1/4 mile.

My guess is it’s a combination of all 3 factors

 

[Duds13]

Saw a commercial yesterday for the Hummer EV. You can lease one for $850 a month! LMAO!