How long to let a very over grazed pasture sit?

[WinterDeere]

Lots of folks mix it and spread it with their manure, it need to be spread pretty thin. Obviously one need to make sure there is no nails or what ever else in it.

That would give it a really good N-P-K, but both are high base (pH = 8-12). The manure would probably be better without the ash, speaking strictly of nutrient content and pH, but maybe the ash is used to give it better mechanics for spreading?

 

[Rockbadchild]

That would give it a really good N-P-K, but both are high base (pH = 8-12). The manure would probably be better without the ash, speaking strictly of nutrient content and pH, but maybe the ash is used to give it better mechanics for spreading?

No it is used for it's free fertilizing proprety and for its PH regulation espicially since we tend to be low on potash and on the acidic side, I agree it is probably better for use them most places and if your soil is already basic (alkaline) using ashes is not a good idea but since we tend to be on the acidic side some ashes helps bring things to neutral. We are also talking about a very thin spread. The type of wood and it's growing area will affect the nutriment content. I was told farmers did tested the ashes we have at that facility to know exactly their content and they are using it... We are talking about a very successful hay farmer, he has a few millions in equipment alone he knows what he his doing.

It is mix with manure to spread it so its easier to spread the ashes not the other way around. I did consider using it and I choose not to because I didn't had efficient means to spread it and how to know the amount you have spread and it effects. So I decided to simply go with fertilizer.

 

[paulsharvey]

Well, my sample came back at 5.2 PH, but I was surprised that my Bahia grass yatget is 5.5 PH. Maybe I'm an idiot, but Nitrogen is left blank? Needs P (60#) and K (80#) for sure, as well as 400# lime. I also need 20# of Magnesium.

I've only briefly looked at it, been busy at work doing hurricane planning.

 

[paulsharvey]

I did miss it, needs 160# of nitrogen

 

[Rockbadchild]

Holy that's poor, I thought my 27lb per acre was a lot (150lbs of 18/18/18) ... I would suggest you split your application in multiples pass so you don't burn your soil and also if it rains a lot you will have less waiste.

 

[WinterDeere]

Interesting how different the recommended targets are. I guess we're growing different crops, but wow... never thought anyone would be recommending pH in the 5's!

Here's mine from this spring:

So, you see the little table of recommendations at the bottom? Those are seasonal totals, and I break that into 5 applications. The break is not even, as different times of the year pull harder on one nutrient versus another, but the fertilizer manufacturers have that worked out pretty well by packaging the products you're using (pre-emergent, grub control, etc.) with the ratios that favor that time of the year. Usually you only have a choice of two different nutrient levels in each product type, making hitting those yearly totals like a 9 month long game of Tetris.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Interesting how different the recommended targets are. I guess we're growing different crops, but wow... never thought anyone would be recommending pH in the 5's!

Here's mine from this spring:

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So, you see the little table of recommendations at the bottom? Those are seasonal totals, and I break that into 5 applications. The break is not even, as different times of the year pull harder on one nutrient versus another, but the fertilizer manufacturers have that worked out pretty well by packaging the products you're using (pre-emergent, grub control, etc.) with the ratios that favor that time of the year. Usually you only have a choice of two different nutrient levels in each product type, making hitting those yearly totals like a 9 month long game of Tetris.

Your right it is surprising but after googling it that's what it needs. Most grasses are in the neutral ranges but there are odd balls.

 

[paulsharvey]

Interesting how different the recommended targets are. I guess we're growing different crops, but wow... never thought anyone would be recommending pH in the 5's!

Here's mine from this spring:

View attachment 1316789

So, you see the little table of recommendations at the bottom? Those are seasonal totals, and I break that into 5 applications. The break is not even, as different times of the year pull harder on one nutrient versus another, but the fertilizer manufacturers have that worked out pretty well by packaging the products you're using (pre-emergent, grub control, etc.) with the ratios that favor that time of the year. Usually you only have a choice of two different nutrient levels in each product type, making hitting those yearly totals like a 9 month long game of Tetris.

Looking at your chart, it's calling for 174#/acre N, the numbers just look smaller cause they are basing it on per 1000 soft, vs #/acre

 

[paulsharvey]

Oh, so this has come up before, on othwr threads, about working the lime into the soil, vs on top. They recommended working the line into the top 6" of soil.

Once the storm passes, I may give the ag extension folks a call, the guy who I talked to was more of a yard grass guy, and the crop lady was out. I am thinking I probably want to talk to the Ag lady about this UGA TifQuik Bahia. It's Expensive, but it terminates very fast, and has impressive yields according to the Univ of GA

I have had coworkers and friends keep trying to tell be, get coastal Bermuda contractors mix and just roll with that; but some of these designer strands of Bahia appear pretty impressive

 

[Hay Dude]

If you are on a budget, like me, I’d do some tillage to break the top open and allow landscapers in to dump shredded leaves and see if you can find some poultry litter and spread that.