Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come

[ruffdog]

They have been giving up concessions in past contracts so with the latest profits, more concessions would be insulting.

Over 10,000 John Deere workers strike over ‘years’ of poor treatment

 

[Bobctat2035]

Do you realize that the publication you cited is from:

"World Socialist Web Site"

Lol good call. Forgive me, I'm half working right now.
I guess I was didn't really think anyone here would link to a commie garbage website as if it were a legitimate source of information.

 

[plowhog]

more concessions would be insulting.

I don't know the facts; therefore, have no opinion whether anything was insulting or not.

But when I read a piece (like this one) where the writer nakedly inserts jaded and biased opinion instead of fact reporting, I stop reading.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Like I mentioned in another thread where this was brought up, it varies highly from dealer to dealer. The current group that owns the Deere dealers in my region does a good job.

While I definitely won't disagree with this statement your particular dealer is an outlier in this context.

 

[mo1]

They have been giving up concessions in past contracts so with the latest profits, more concessions would be insulting.

Over 10,000 John Deere workers strike over ‘years’ of poor treatment

Some of the specifics mentioned in the article are interesting. The union is wanting to keep post-retirement health insurance and a traditional pension rather than a 401(k), which pretty much nobody else outside of a government worker has today. Private pensions went the way of 401(k)s decades ago and health insurance nearly always stopped when you left work, so those demands are out of line with the rest of the market. (Personally I would MUCH rather have a 401(k) with a match than a pension as a 401(k) is mine and doesn't depend on the company remaining solvent or the government bailing out the pension.) The article also mentions understaffing and poor treatment by management, which certainly is present in many private sector jobs, and those would absolutely be legitimate issues that need addressed. Other articles mention these as well so I wonder if those are really the major sticking points.

I would expect the union is starting negotiations by throwing everything and the kitchen sink in their wish list of initial demands and then let some of the "wish list" stuff go by the wayside to concentrate on the big sticking points as the negotiations progress.

 

[pmsmechanic]

Then you would find out how terrible the dealers are and the customer service and then reconsider.

In my experience this is not true. I have good friends that work both behind the counter and in service at the local dealer. My brother is a salesman there. The service manager has loaned me service manuals or printed off what I need to service my own customers.

My point is establish a relationship with your dealer. I'm in a unique position because my brother works there, But I also have a genuine friendship with some of the employees.

 

[coobie]

All of my employees love me actually. It's a small company (12-15) when we're properly staffed and everyone I currently employee has worked here at least a year and most 3-4+. Do I pay as well as John Deere unions? No. Do I pay a good wage for the job being performed and treat my guys well if they do their jobs? Yes. And no, I didn't need some union assclown to make me do it either.
I've got guys who live in bigger towns 20-30 minutes away that drive all the way here to work when they can easily find jobs 5 minutes from them. Why? Because they like working here and for me. I had one avidly pro-union 60 year old working for me for about a two years. Could have made 3x what I paid him at another union electrician job but he liked working for me because it was laid back and enjoyed the work. He retired last December and he still stops by regularly to shoot the ****. Like someone said earlier, a good boss makes all the difference and that is the kind of boss I am.

Oh, and I don't make millions either and actually live in my warehouse in a room next to my office that is 12' x 12'. You might find this shocking, but just because an owner of a company doesn't feel like he lives to serve his employees before himself and his own family, doesn't make him an evil selfish capitalist *******.

Good for you keep up the good work.

 

[ruffdog]

I would expect the union is starting negotiations by throwing everything and the kitchen sink in their wish list of initial demands and then let some of the "wish list" stuff go by the wayside to concentrate on the big sticking points as the negotiations progress.

Yes, you get it. BOTH sides have wish lists that they bring to the table, then a strike happens, then they go to the table more, then an agreement is agreed upon by both sides, and everyone goes back to work. Capitalists will never think that common workers should have a say in anything pertaining to their job.

 

[sea2summit]

Yes, you get it. BOTH sides have wish lists that they bring to the table, then a strike happens, then they go to the table more, then an agreement is agreed upon by both sides, and everyone goes back to work. Capitalists will never think that common workers should have a say in anything pertaining to their job.

Interesting. If capitalists do not who does? China?

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Yes, you get it. BOTH sides have wish lists that they bring to the table, then a strike happens, then they go to the table more, then an agreement is agreed upon by both sides, and everyone goes back to work. Capitalists will never think that common workers should have a say in anything pertaining to their job.

I think if we are all honest here there is bad actors on both sides of the aisle. I am not a union man myself and believe that unions do more harm then good as I live in a state that has a teachers union that has done nothing but cause trouble and taken vital resources away from other needs in the state. However, I think in some cases a union might be a good thing. Deere is a very big company that has shown itself to not uphold the core values that it once used to lay claim to from what I have personally observed and in their case it might be warranted. Good principals govern companies until greed and corruption take over.