Anyone else waiting to see if tractors without the EPA stuff are coming?

[rScotty]

I’ll hold you to that. (manufacturing returning to the USA) I think it will come back. Not to the degree of 1900-1960, but recent changes, popular with American company owners, are pursuing a new future in manufacturing.

I hope you are right. For one thing, the world may never see manufacturing like we had in the 1900 to 1960 years. Back then we had a surplus of skilled tradesman leaving their trades for manufacturing jobs. Today we don't have enough tradesman or jobs either - and both have long lead times.

Will the rest of the world be willing to just sit around and wait while we catch up?
What about our aging population not producing enough kids, let alone educating them?
We aren't as bad off there as other countries we must not name, but we're on the wrong side of that population curve thing, too.

Does anyone else think these things like education and manufacturing have an impact on whether we see EPA stuff staying on our tractors? Maybe I'm alone or flat wrong about that. It's just that I see any changes in the "EPA stuff" as being more about manufacturing having the the ability to change, rather than the simpler question of political policy.

rScotty

 

[Paystar]

I would love to see it, but I doubt they will get rid of DPF's and SCR. If anything you will just see the upcoming 2027 regs everyone is fearing get ruled out.

Manufacturers won't want to get rid of the current emissions equipment....it is a cash cow for them. They get to have trucks and machines in the shop every day, selling parts and service, LOL

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

It would only be for 4 years, no manufacturer is going to retool/redesign knowing after the next election it all has to go back

 

[Hay Dude]

I’d doubt you’ll see DPF/DEF removed, but I’m hoping they pause before the 2027 regs hit. Those regs will cost too much for the typical farmer, trucker, etc to be able to handle.
All those regs will work in favor of huge corporations. Once they are in control, you’ll pay THEIR prices. And I guarantee you you’ll miss the low prices offered by your local, smaller operators.
All these overly burdensome regulations favor the globalists and large corporations. We need to go back to a time when a small operator with a dream can build a business.
That’s what makes America great.

 

[BubbaSam]

I’m not holding my breath that the rules get relaxed to start with but given the chance my vote is manufacturers immediately ditch the emissions equipment.

All I can say is.... DITTO! The emissions are the one reason I haven't bought a newer tractor. Fingers crossed and as they say "If the Lord's a willn' and the creek don't rise!"

 

[BubbaSam]

It would only be for 4 years, no manufacturer is going to retool/redesign knowing after the next election it all has to go back

Doesn't it REALLY depend on who's in for the following years?

 

[Calgaryglenn]

Obviously a lot has changed Government wise in the USA

I was in the market for a new tractor (I have a 2015 Kioti 6010 now that I like) but wanted to step up to a bigger tractor

Long story short I’m waiting to see if any expected EPA announcements on tractor exhaust deregulation is coming

I heard it is very soon for trucks

You never want to say never, but there is zero chance that pre emission control tractors (or tucks) are coming back. All engine manufactures base their design platforms on a world wide market and there are over 7.6 BILLION people in the world who live outside of the US who are not effected by by this government. That's a big market!
Source: 36 years as a manufactures rep in the AG industry.

 

[Joe Batt]

Yes, you can turn off DEF/DPF equipment with a laptop. EGR’s require a physical block. IMO, if standards are rolled back, we should be able to shut it off ourselves.

That would be fine if you kept the exhaust on your property, but you are polluting a shared resource. Electric is the only motor type that I know that doesn't pollute a shared resource when it is run. We don't have batteries (or equivalents like fuel cells) working well enough for tractors.

 

[Joe Batt]

The EPA is rolling back some emission standards, was just announced. If the official government policy at the time of purchase is "x", then you can't be punished later for adhearing to policy "x".

Get those deletes now boys...

They are rolling back 2027 standards. The equipment is still in the design phase.

 

[Joe Batt]

Makes you wonder what truck manufacturers, if anything, have to look forward to?
Could be a a real boost to the US manufacturing economy.
I like clean air, but not at the cost of diesel engine reliability. I’m trying to make a living here.
Wonder what todays high efficiency, high PSI injectors with computerized timing would run in terms of exhaust compared to 1990’s engines? Maybe they’d be clean enough to be acceptable?
The after treatment systems have been somewhat perfected. Tim to get rid of the engine issues associated with EGR.

The EPA doesn't require EGR. The EPA puts requirements on NOx emissions. EGR was the only way we have figured out how to accomplish the it. NOx is produced with Nitrogen and Oxygen in a high pressure, high temperature environment (combustion chamber). EGR reduces the amount of oxygen in the combustion, avoiding creating as much NOx. The EGR is is only used to decrease the Oxygen in the cylinder; without it, the diesel engines produce too much NOx.