Massey 65 diesel running rough

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jshwhite

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I posted this over on Antique Tractor but figured I'd see if anyone could chime in here. Hoping for some help solving this issue.

I have a later model MF65 diesel Perkins AD4-203.
It ran great and had good power when I first got it, but with quite a bit of blow-by. The injection pump was leaking, so I sent that and the injectors to Mike at pumpguys. The pump was unrepairable. So I got a new one.

New pump on and rebuilt injectors, it fired right up but smoked (white/grey) terribly and ran rough. I should have dealt with that first but I was also wanting to rebuild the engine because of the blowby and one cylinder low on compression. So I did the whole top end - new pistons, liners, valve job, head gasket, etc.

After that it started right up with great compression, but same bad smoke and running rough. I adjusted the injection pump timing slightly and that reduced the white smoke and smoothed it out some, but not perfect.

I figured I'd give it some hard work and get the rings seated, so I hooked up the 10ft brushhog to it and ran it for a couple hours really hard. Didn't seem to help. Low power, and it POURS black smoke when it's under load. And it still runs rough.

Update: a few people suggested the air cleaner, so I pulled that off to check it. The element is badly deteriorated so I ordered another one and am waiting for that. In the meantime, I hose clamped a double layer t-shirt over the intake hose and took it out for a spin just to see how much the air cleaner was really affecting it. The black smoke/power may be marginally improved but not much.

The black smoke/low power is only part of the problem, and it's only when under a good load. I still have the issue that it's running rough. And some gray/white smoke.

Even though I just had injectors rebuilt and pump replaced, I guess there could still be a problem somewhere in that system?

Thoughts or ideas?
 
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You're sure it's an AD4.203 and not an A4.203? The D series is direct injection, the other is indirect injection with energy cells in the head. They use different injector nozzles and different pump settings. If it's an A4 engine it could have a bad energy cell that can cause what you describe. It's possible a machine shop today might not catch that doing a head rebuild. What passes for quality work these days can be suspect.
 
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You're sure it's an AD4.203 and not an A4.203? The D series is direct injection, the other is indirect injection with energy cells in the head. They use different injector nozzles and different pump settings. If it's an A4 engine it could have a bad energy cell that can cause what you describe. It's possible a machine shop today might not catch that doing a head rebuild. What passes for quality work these days can be suspect.
Yes it's direct injection. 1963 model, and injectors are angled.
 
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Update: I pulled the injectors and found 3 of them had doubled copper sealing washers. I think when I had the head/valve job done the guy didn't see/remove them and they got painted grey so I didn't see them. I removed those and reinstalled the injectors. Same symptoms.

So I think this next week I'll take the injectors and pump into a local shop for testing and go from there.
 
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You see what I meant by shop work being suspect? That might not be the reason for your current problem, but that doesn't make it right.
 

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