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Have you tried the 562’s I’d put it and the 462 in about the same class of saw.

Have you not bucked on slopes before? That’s one of the reasons for the longer bars is for safety well bucking. Out of curiosity what are we talking about for steep? We mechanically cut without a line up to 35 degrees without issues line cutting is done much steeper hand falling is getting to be...

Most of them are like I am 130 to 150 you normally don’t see a heavy set faller.

You guys got always to go, one of the guys I broke in under was in his late 70’s still running 395’s and 3120’s with long bars.

We hand cut smaller trees as well the techniques are the same start with good basics and it will all transfer across the board. The GOL is teaching bad techniques which can be used in certain situations most of which shouldn’t be tackled by most here. I’m not being high and mighty but seeing...

What’s wrong with quartering across a hillside? It’s safer then uphill and will save wood out. A lot of the stuff that’s left is 150’ smaller stuff but there’s still a lot of “oversized” 200’+ where skill is required to save wood out . All that said a lot of the techniques shown on here are more...

Remember this they call a dangerous job a game that’s a great indication of what they think of this job. If you did that kind of cutting that’s shown in those courses on the west coast you’d be done before you finished a job. Things like back boring with a strap, conventional faces, shallow...

One of the slab sealed up.

I have a 500i, a 462, and the 562 to me the 562 runs with the 462. If you really want a 500i that’s a saw that doesn’t come alive till at least a 32” bar with full comp chain in my opinion. Both the 462 and 562 both will pull a 32 but do better with a 28 on down running full comp square. All...

Time to break in the 500’s little brother we’ll see if it replaced a 372

Sorry for that guys I’m doing this from Tapatalk and every site is different from an upload size.

One cool feature about Fusion 360 is the ability to upload a picture with a rule next to object into a cad file.

A part that is available but not up to the task

There’s plenty of easy to use CAD software like Tinkercad by Autocad that anyone can use as long as you know your dimensions and the shapes you need.

After a day of falling I blow them out with compressed air other then that I don’t wash the saws.

Cedar has flutes so face size can look bigger then it really is. It cleared my chain bob at about 5” hanging out the back cut and about 1” hanging down the hill. The hinge was thicker then I would normally do even with a normal cedar but we had wind going in our favor that was coming and going...

I wouldn’t call that huge it’s in the 3ft range what’s even more amazing about that is cedar doesn’t hold hinge it pops. Western Red Cedar out here is the equivalent of a warm stick of butter which makes it interesting to cut it can be harder to feel your way around the face and back cuts with...

Some Western Red Cedar that was hanging back over towards a RMA zone.

It can take a while to learn to do right but works very well. Another good thing you can do is add a wedge to the very end of the back cut as a gauge.

Looks like western red cedar if I had to guess.

Both can cause a cut to be off.

One square grinder, one round grinder and a raker/depth gauge grinder. There’s a huge difference in having a consistent chain when you’re falling timber all the time you need predictability.

40’s is the length I’m shooting for there’s a 24’ up in the center and one 36 on the bottom right. The mill that these go to does speciality beams, cross arms, and gutters for historic buildings.

A little bit of how we load larger logs with a rocker log, the bottom left log was 25k.

One trick that can help with back leaners like that is to put your back cut in first and tighten up a wedge then put your face in. It’s basically the same way we put jacks in.

That’s a husky can I was shown it works really well being it’s everything in one and has enough storage in the pocket to fit two 32’s or 36’s chains. We are a full service company from commercial thinning with harvester forwarder combo to clear cut and hauling. All that color in the butts like...

If it wasn’t for it being rotten it’d go just fine for large beams, old growth has that shaky look to it. Also with that bigger older wood comes the thick 2” plus bark that falls off well cutting.

It’s all second growth Doug fir.

This how you push a tree the other direction from the lean.

I envy you guys with no brush it’s something we don’t see out here. Here’s what spring looks like in the PNW you spend more time slashing your way through vs actually cutting timber.

Some of the finished product 2”x24”x24’ lowboy planks they’ll be great use of a piece of pulp.

They aren’t horrible but the Husky ones are much better and can be swapped onto the older saws.

What’s always amazed me is a 10 or 12 inch piece of plastic can move some of these big girls. What’s even more amazing is when you need to move one out of a back lean what kind of a fight they can put up when jacking or pulling with a drum line.

If you’re drop starting your right hand should be on the pistol grip the whole time. To help with what you’re talking about set the saw bar on a log or something of that nature release the brake then pull with your left hand.

I drop start but I’m on the west coast where we run run bars for this application it’s safer as well as easier on your back.

Depending on where and who’s ground you’re cutting on out here back strapping in front of the wrong manager can get you sent home. Is there a time and place to do them yes but it also places a lot of tension on the back of the stump that can rip out with a gust wind. I remember when I broke in...

Another good set of videos are the BC fallers standards, they cover all the above but if memory serves in BC GOL style cutting is illegal.

I know how to bore cut I do use it from time to time such as cutting blocks out in the face of oversized or in putting jack seats in. When you are starting your bore in you’re using the tip all the way through till you’re dawged in at which point the whole bar is used. Well doing this watch your...

That’s a great example of something that’ll rip a back strap out with that much head lean.

If I have to fall something with a head lean I’ll normally use a Coos Bay style back cut, but most of the time I’ll fall something around 90 degrees from the head lean. One reason for doing this is the risk of a chair another is I’m trying not to blow the belly out of that tree. With the GOL...

That’s what happens when you leave too much hinge wood and the tree stalls, you can see it start to go then it stop the rest is well history. Sorry to hear about your buddy, would it happen to be from an Alder?

It also helps explain what caused that barber chair so that people could avoid this situation too.

That chair is from too much holding wood vs like a Dutchman or a stalling cut.

Barber chair is when a tree splits out the back well you’re cutting it.

I remember the big clear cuts here they were normally high lead shows sometimes cat/skidder ground. Even back in the 70’s you’d see grapple cats/skidders out here. All these pictures of mine are pretty much of thinning I hardly clear cut and it’s all done with a grapple single arch cat you learn...

Beaver cut? We call them farmers cuts another good one is GOL the Swedish stump dance of death is another one that are a good chuckle. A hitch a twitch and then there’s turns of logs. I don’t disagree with you but if they don’t know what they are and don’t know the names then they can’t look...

I would think the last time cheese blocks were used would be when the Mount decided to blow her top. It’s amazing how time has changed 32” is the magic butt size anymore unless it’s going to a special mill then you’re lucky if it’s 60”.

This one is on the high side still but a taller stump helps keep the next tree from rolling down the hill. Now this one is getting down there, it depends on what saw I’m running the height of the stump.

There’s not a lot of wood like this left around anymore other then on State and Federal lands but of it is all dead. When you see a truck now they’re all small wood loads it’s sad to see the rotation of the industrial get down to an age that’s not the best for everything.

Would those be arborists?

What really helps when doing a humboldt is have two dawgs on the saw so you can dawg in and cut. If a humboldt is done correctly yes the face cut will fall out but it’s also easier to see if you missed something in the cut unlike a Saginaw cut when looking through. Food for thought you can...

That’s because the timber is smaller, the insurance for a hand faller is crazy to put it nicely, and setting chokers behind a skidder is a quick way to go out of business. I don’t touch my chains in the brush never have and probably never will I can swap a chain before a guy can file one. The...

This might help with how to take the face out. When something is oversized of the bar I try to still do everything from one side of the tree so I’ll start in the center of my face and swing the bar over to make the far side of my sight cut this takes some practice to get right. Afterwards I’ll...

It’s always amazing what you can do with a second growth Doug fir, I’d be interested how hard it really is vs some hardwoods. Last time I looked at a Janka hardness test it was done on 40 year old vs something with those tight rings.

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With a humboldt face that’s very unlikely the stump pushes the tree off it’s one of the reason it’s used on the west coast plus you have a square butt afterwards. The Stihl floppy caps are ok but not my favorite I really prefer Husky ones.

The large was about right placed a little over a 1/3 of the way through, the angle if I had to guess would be a little over 30 degrees. On the back cut I clipped the far corner because at one point it was a double that had been removed and hardened over.

It went pretty quick depending on the finish you want, for that smooth finish they take do take longer but it’s under 10 minutes. It’s odd to me to see saw dust vs chips that I’m use to well falling timber. Here’s on that will be getting slabbed at some point the but has a cool feature on the...

An Alaskan setup on a 3120 Husky.

A nice little stretched out Doug fir and some slabs off around 110 year old Doug just shy of 50” on the big end and 6’ long.

Sure looks like a 3994/395

A 7.5’ northwest we have.

Probably one of the best tillers made are Northwest Tillers.

If your teeth weren’t even then they probably found the shortest one and evened everything to it. How damaged were the cutters? Did they also touch the depth gauges? If you want a chain that cuts true, consistent, and fast a grinder is hard to beat but in an inexperienced operators hand a lot...

There’s a whole two inches there that’s all rot between the bark and the solid wood, the stand was that about 40 years ago. This stand is 60 years old there’s a few differences between the two besides size as well as height, bark is completely different.

Once in a blue it’s still fun to run a saw

Who do you think are better stewards of the land/timber, loggers or a bunch of greenies? The top is what we would normally do in a Douglas fir thinning the bottom picture is of the greenie style thinning on public ground.

If you have a press this sort of setup works great on bars.

Just out of curiosity do you guys wear Caulk boots well working out in the brush?

Have you guys ever slipped one off the stump?

A little from yesterday the stand is around 30 years old running a piece of 37’ export, a piece of domestic ranging from about 21’ to 41’ and a piece of pulp or all pulp.

A stick/ black berry ripper

There’s still stuff too big and there’s places too steep to send a machine down even on a line. One of the smaller snags that got left on that job.

My old man used the 562 to buck of this single blow down, well I got to go play on that mess with a 42 on a 395.

Yeah the 6 wheel drive ones mainly some of the 4 wheel ones here and there mainly in the swinging grapple versions the biggest market for skidder out here is the track skidders like a 517/527. As to head room that machine has no issue there with it, I can flip the flip and tilt the cab without...

Some more of the home place

Here’s the extension of when I built the extension.

If it was me I’d pick that triple topped tree to domino into the top of the other shooting for about where the red circle is. Now setting up something like this need to be done correctly use a humboldt face and a full face Dutchman with an extra kicker on the stump to try and get the butt on the...

One of the small corners of the place all was mechanical planted using a JD6410 and an ancient Hyster Transplanter.

Nah don’t have any in the line up I do have one little Stihl that’s a great paper weight anymore though.

If I’m hand falling the forwarder is idle for everything but cleaning up pulp that harvester I run everyday will cut up to 32” and process it. These are both Silvey made grinder the orange one is a 510 the silver is the square Pro sharp, the big difference with a square is you bring the tooth...

If you want some good training look up the BC fallers safety videos it’s pretty much everything I do on the daily when I do fall timber. The open style face I’ve never cared for having something still attached to a stump if there’s any built energy anywhere you’re right in the line of fire when...

This cedar was done with a brand new 562 running a 32 they’re a very capable little saw that run very smooth and are hot.

I spent 10 years falling timber in production 6 days a week 60 to 10 hours a day before getting into a harvester. These are my jacks I use when doing this type of work one is a 45 ton the other is a Silvey tree saver back pack setup that’ll lift 125 tons. To the other cuts like a sizwheel and...

Most of the time square is used when falling timber out in the PNW its a more efficient cutter allowing us to use either a smaller saw with a longer bar. These are square ground straight off my pro sharp grinder.

That’s a 32” bar no need for a longer bar unless it’s super steep ground or you don’t want to put windows in to finish it off. The face vs a conventional or a humboldt allows the hinge wood to bend vs break off allowing both the butt and top to hit at the same time. That’s a 60” for special...

Has anyone had the enjoyment of getting up on boards before? Or used a block style face?

That’ll buff right out, on that subject a few years ago a harvester like this one get spun around on a lowboy when the boom found an overpass.

here’s some of the stuff we’ve done over the years from hand falling 200’+ Doug Fir to commercial thinning.

These are some of those thinnings I’ve done in the past impact is as close to 0 as possible most of the trails are a one and done setup.

The east coast is much smaller scale then out here on the west coast, for out here I’m small with 3 guys that’s includes a truck driver. As far as innovation a lot of it has been happening out here, just across the river from me is where the two tethering companies are. Here’s some of the...

Just throw these out here have you ever seen faces like this?

Know a few guys that have for production cutting they either love them or hate them I haven’t had time to try one yet. I’ve always ran 32’s as the shortest bar for production work.

Guess I’m old school but a tin lid would go a long way to not having to have those stitches, I spent 10 years production falling in the PNW it’s always been chaps, hard hat(tin lid), ear plugs, safety glasses, and gloves in that time I haven’t been cut other then walking out with a saw on my...