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Then why have the distinction of infrared? Just put a nuke in the living room and say it's safe because it just electromagnetic radiation.

electromagnetic is a broad term of all wave lengths and infrared is a specific to the radiant heat spectrum

were you shocked to see boiling water mixed the dye better?

Radiant heat is infrared waves, not electromagnetic. I was expecting more from you than this, especially since you made such a big stink that you knew it all.

I think it's our duty to remind them. If they still can't handle it, they should be kicked out while they find their man card. Once their big boy panties are back on, they can come back.

Why is there so much talk about moderation in an area where the intended goal is to have the bare minimum moderation. Like I use to say in friendly politics...check your feelings at the door. If you can't decouple your feelings from content...don't go in.

That was the best time to be alive...

Tell me more about this 4th power of temperature difference.

Cal had something to say.../

Is the horse dead yet?

It's a model that has proven to work...it should work fine.

I'm glad were on the same page now. No, that's infrared heat (actual heat wave lengths) looking for an object to expel it's energy to. Convection has to have air (lots of it) moved over a heat source or through a heat exchanger.

Nope, just radiant heat. You put a fan on or behind the stove, it's convection. You put a pot of water on top to produce steam, that is conduction.

convection is something totally different than conduction.

LOL...motion is not thermal.

where does an air molecule store heat energy to then pass on to another air molecule?

This was hard to follow...

That isn't quite how thermal radiant heat transfer works. In order for conduction to work, there has to be a temperature difference between two conductive bodies where heat can flow from hot to cold. It is not an instant thing either, there is a minimum time function for the transfer of energy...

I understand thermal dynamics. Convection requires another source of energy to push radiant heat. Conduction requires the transfer of a heat source to another by the delta between two different conducting bodies.

You keep saying that but always fail to explain it. The floor is yours...

A wood stove produces radiant heat. I want to know from cal, how a wood stove produces convective heat and conductive heat?

What forms of Convection and conduction does a wood stove produce?

My wood stove only produces radiant heat. Maybe yours has special crystals or something that defies physics.

what comes off a stove so a fan can move? A stove only can make radiant heat...it takes another energy source to convert it to convective heat. Go play pong with someone else.

The question was, is it better to push air or pull air. Blowers on the back push air... There is your answer.

You've never seen a blower mounted on the back of a stove? I have yet to see a front mounted blower on a stove.

well they put blowers on the back of the stove to blow the radiant heat off the stove. Don't over think this...

Quite the opposite, actually. Companies that get a place that big, turn into a clearing house for a lot of companies and their ancillaries. So much so that they turn into, to big to fail. Kubota probably floor plans their inventory, instead of private capital, and as long it moves...

If you want a good laugh, before the federal government took over education and developed the Department of Education in 1980. We were number one in the world in education. See where we stand now. It's not good. More money does not equal better education. The amount of money wasted on no...

Student loan debt should not be forgiven under any circumstance. In lieu of cash reserves or other assets, the collateral a college borrower offers to secure a student loan is their own future income stream. If you forgive debt, future loan interest rates would have to rise dramatically to...

I think the guy wanting to know about specifics on his tractor, gets his answer and only comes back once there is another problem. Those guys don't content support a forum. I wish I had the Metadata from TBN...it would become very clear where to add another log on to the fire...so to speak.

See, I think TBN's main traffic is no longer tractors. Weird. Sort out the threads with 10 or less posts...Thou shall see enlightenment.

Elaborate why?

Good for the mod.

Well it looks like TBN needs to be a more sterile environment. Moderate it accordingly and let the chips fall where they lay.

Well, have your game inside with refs. Some like to have the game outside with no refs. There is not a 100% solution without options.

The issue is right now in history, every social media platform is trying to corral speech. It's not just TBN, it's everywhere. So some of that has spilled into the TBN discussion. But yeah, people are pushing back. With COVID, everyone has been effected by it. Is there another topic that...

Let it flow for awhile. Even the hottest debates die out once a horse is beat a few times. Then someone in 20 years will find the thread and think, every problem in life has already been solved on tbn.

A for effort.

So you shoot the bad guy to only watch him revive himself under a new username. I've seen it happen over and over. It's a cat a mouse game. TBN is not a zero sum game.

I hate to break this to you, but there are no rules on the internet. By design...

However...a lot can be learned as well. We're grown ups, we can handle it. The babysitter mentality has to be let go.

Tnt Doesn't work because it's disjoined from TBN...plus Jerrybob is like talking to a 2 year old.

I understand how it works. Another method that seems to works is putting the off topic section behind a pay wall. To access the off topic section, buy a "membership" and then access is allowed. Condition the membership on self moderation and there will be no whining to the moderators. If...

Yes, but it's the tip toeing around those discussion in a overt/covert manner is what were talking about here. Not the blatent posting off your list. We live in a tribal world and sides are assigned to viewpoints. Those viewpoint should not be considered politics just because someone assigned...

Informal sampling... Of the 15 new posts...4 are tech, 11 are some off topic discussion.

Why do the off topic sections drive more clicks than the tech parts? Tech issues drive about 2 pages of discussion unless your dealing with someone who is obstinate...off topic sections can drive that in an hour. Tech might drive the traffic, but the off topic section set the pace of traffic.

last week

I know another forum where ownership basically said...gYOF (get your own forum) if you want to discuss other topics, not thinking it could be done. We we did and took it back to what drew people to the initial forum, content. They were fixated on forum software features, layout, and...

No I'm not. If we import a lot, we are beholden to the supply chains of the world. The experiment did not hold up over the long run... In fact, one of the biggest imported items was microchips. We got exposed on that trade and now companies are scrambling to build chip plants here in the...

Glad to know the supply chain does not effect you...

What a hard way to make a living...But someone has to do it.

Signatures check out.

If a person's business is equipment and a client list...the IRS considerers selling those things as income. Income tax is higher than investment income. Put it in a living trust...

Damn that is a dumb outlook...

I love people that talk in metaphors...

No, he's talking to me. He must be confusing me with a farmer, which I am not.

Who is john dutton?

Long hours and tough work are mutually exclusive. One is not dependent upon the other. However, there are always cases that involve both, but to associate the two as equal is disingenuous to both.

There is a federal moratorium for drilling and extracting on federal lands...how is NM able to extract while other places are not?

Wrong web site. Grinder and tbn are easily confused.

WTI...we don't do brent.

When you realize NM and TX are producing on private land, yeah it looks rosy. The federal leases north of you are shut down. I drive by a Schlumberger depot full of idle drilling rigs. You guys just keep drilling and pumping...

You would know as well as I do, the .gov component of the gdp calculation was never meant to be as big as has become. Modern monetary theory was a fringe theory that was laughed at when I was in school. Now it's mainstream and driving the ship.

It's a money supply issue. There is a lot of funny money looking for an asset. Every asset class is at all time highes, it tells you everything you need to know.

Cannabis too...

They should charge by the line for all the humble bragging...

Also, you did ask why I was in a hay thread...

I'm sorry my relatable experience bothers you so much...

I do have about 15,000 acres of hay meadows...I do know more than most about it and enough to know it takes a special kind to do it.

However I don't charge him...so I'm still not farming out anything.

Guess what you have coming for you...

First off we don't farm in Wyoming, we ranch. I can work long hours at my office job, doesn't make it tough. A truck driver can drive for 12 hours, doesn't mean it's a tough job. See how that works? My neighbor does run his cattle on my meadows. In exchange for that he keeps up the...

Hey dud right now searching TBN...

I always wondered how they did ditches in the flat lands. Do you have to use pump houses to move the water or is there enough pitch in the land to move the water by gravity?

It's only bad if you're wearing Velcro gloves. Wyoming use to have a lot of sheep ranches, in fact my ranch was a sheep ranch 125 years ago. Still have an old sheep barn where they had the lambs. Then the Johnson County Wars happened and the cattle guys obviously won that one.

I don't think I ever said that...please post up where I said that. Otherwise your just projecting... ;)

ok trigger...

At least you don't have to dig ditches, which need constant maintenance to keep flowing...then have a few guys move irrigation damns to flood the fields all summer to get good water.

Seems so small...300-400 as the average. No wonder it only takes 2 or 3 people to manage.

We were talking about college age boys...sorry that triggered you.

You're the one that took issue with my comment...if you remember.

do your clean up...

thanks for being the clean up boy...

and their all college grads?

define tough... Long hours and tough are not one in the same.

huh?

I think our scale of what a farm or ranch is, is different. I'm use to 20,000+ acres and 10 or more hands. I guess on a 500 acre farm, your needs are different.

Yeah, but is every worker a college grad?

tough has nothing to do with it. It's a lifestyle that lets boys drive big diesel trucks and drive tractors. There is no time clock or ridged structure. There are a lot of guys that want that.

Have you ever been on a ranch or Farm and see who is actually doing the work? One college grad managing the place hardly displaces the 10 guys needed to do actual work.

I don't think the numbers back up your littered analogy. There might be a few non STEM people living in the streets, but not in any numbers. But I would be loved to proved wrong.

Farming and ranching will always attract those that did not go to college or a trade school.

It's funny hearing farmers complain about this. Farmers that don't even have to use irrigation on their hay fields. Come out west, see what it's like. I know a bunch or ranchers that would gladly change places and make it a profitable endeavor. Out west, hay fields need irrigation. Those...

And your worrying about two months ago...

Oh she's tough...see a picture of my little Canadian on page 1. She has the quickest wit...even faster than mine. She also has a sense of humor and knows not to take me seriously.

I moved a small cabin that was next to the big cabin I built. I just had to move it back 20 feet, but the bastard was heavy. Luckily the cabin was built on skids. I bought a 15 ton chain winch for steering. I used floor jacks to jack up the cabin to put oil pipe under it. I wrapped the...

I married a canadian...I have to tell her to toughen up all the time.

I know how to start a tractor in 0* weather...we know others do not, though.. Thanks for all the good suggestions :)

It's just too bad we can't figure out how to start a tractor in 0* weather...

Canadians are weird and march to their own drums. Whenever I start ragging on Canadians for their ass backwards way of thinking...I'm reminded with this...

I once walked into my Polaris dealer to buy some oil and ended up buying a ranger. It was a Saturday and didn't feel like messing with my bank until Monday. Paid for the thing on my card. I guess I was the first person to ever do that. I get 3% cash back so I figured it would cover some of...

I read this 4 times and can't figure out what your asking here.

Ok buddy...thanks for stopping by.

You have a singular focus...branch out a bit.

Actually it was the other dude that had to go all a priori to make a case...and when you go a priori, it's all BS after that.

Yeah, but statistics is my wheel house...and someone pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining in the desert is kind of streaching.

I lead you into a priori argument and you took the bait. My work here is done... Hehe

If were doing this game. I have a friend that blew up his inline god backing out of the drive way. We could do this all day...

Exactly, what are you trying to say here? That semantics is a thing?

I find that really hard to believe. The occurrences of a bottom end going on those are very very rare, especially at 53k. But hey, neat story.

Inflation is way higher once you count in rent/housing and energy costs. It's closer to 15%. The CPI excludes this as thy say it's to volatile :rolleyes: What's missing from this--and many other--discussions of inflation is ANY mention of the role of fiscal and monetary policy. Spending went...

If the emissions was kept on, and you never kept up on maintenancethe lifters would need replaced around then. Otherwise no. The blocks on the 6.0 and 6.4 are basically the same expect for some extra holes in the 6.4. The bottom ends do not wear out at 150k, in fact very few of those blocks...

somehow those were never behind a 6.4, unlike the 68re behind the inline god. Otherwise, good point.

I know mine is...

Most obvious post ever...

Oh, is that it.

For the pair, of course. Once you have the tooling, it's already paid for. ;)

Then lets see just how much you can beat the price. I would expect by your confident tone, you would be in the $50 range.

any thoughts on your own? I can google too. https://www.dieselhub.com/tech/i6-vs-v8.html

Well in theory. We had an inline god at the ranch for awhile. Could not keep ball joints on it and the 68Re was a bag of marbles. In reality, Inline gods have a hard time being simple and awesome when their chariot is a bag of trash.

I think this is called a straw man argument. Neither you or I are in the know to why cat does what cat does. I will just keep to the facts that inline gods are much simpler engines than v based engines. I can show and prove that.

No? You don't think one intake manifold, one exhaust manifold, one camshaft, no crossover piping (intake & exhaust) is a factor? Interesting.

I just tried to look up their weekly deals and didn't fine any T6 on sale. The site did say they had some in stock, but in store pick up only.

Now don't go trying to wiggle your way out of this by saying I said the 6.4 is perfect. I have not. I did say it's probably the engine most capable of making the most power out of any common rail set up. Twin sequential turbos put a lot of air into a motor. Tuned and deleted 6.4's are nasty...

One could make the case it's adapting or beyond ones ability to understand what they have and give up.

In line gods are cheaper to make...that is why they are more popular...despite all the crazy theories you think make them more popular. It's always about money. A V8 diesel can also have a long stoke and big bore...it's not something only unique to inline gods.

The underlying premise here is, I only want perfect and if anything deviates from my superficial reasoning, then it's junk. I'm sorry, but life does not throw perfect things at you everyday to prevent you from having a stress free life. The engine is what it is. You adapt to it. If over...

Well I see you have me off ignore...brave of you. Early oil changes are hardly a big lift. Adapt and overcome is not just a catchy slogan. Oil dilution only takes out engine parts if oil is allowed to degrade to a point it ceases to be oil anymore. There is a choice factor in there. The...

I think I have been pretty clear that if you do your maintenance on the 6.4, the problem dosen't exist anymore.

How many times have you won the lottery as well?

Tell me you don't know powerstrokes with out telling me you don't know powerstrokes. Where do you get this bad info from...?

Which brings up a good point, in 2008-2010 their was dodge with a good motor and marginal everything else. You had Ford with a strong motor, maintenance dependent, but good chassis and tranny. Then Chevy had mediocre everything. So trying to be in 2022 and cast stones back a decade is a fools...

what ever that means...

This is a strange hill your on...defending it to it's logical conclusion will put you in some awkward rationalizations.

It's all relative rick...do you consider front ends on dodges to be part of maintenance costs because one could make an argument for that.

They all have their problems, the secret is knowing their weakness and adapting. Changing oil is pretty dam easy as far as adapting to a weakness...

Mechanical failure are due to lack of maintenance. The valve train is the exact same on a 6.0, I have never heard of those going. If oil changes break the bank...go gas. The diluted oil is the only variable here. Which makes the logic here pretty simple.

Which they fully deserved for being ignorant.

There were a lot of bro dudes that thought just drive them like a gas truck...

Only people that don't maintain anything ride the wrecker.

Oil and diesel filter changes are pretty much a wash between both platforms...where else are the high maintenance costs?

The 6.4 isn't necessarily a bad engine it's a power monster, it's just people never maintained them properly. The 6.4 was the first Ford/international/Navistar engine to get the EGR, DPF treatment. Their thinking was to inject diesel fuel into the exhaust stroke on cylinders 7&8 to burn out...

I mean really, nobody watches them.

I don't think anyone has watched one of your youtube videos yet.

I've never seen someone so fearful of a hydrocarbons as you...

Who again is trying to destroy it?

Ford has already come out and said they have no plans on putting batteries in the Super duties. They said it makes no sense at this point. GM likes to blow smoke up people's ass just to pacify the current political winds. GM is hopping for as much government money as possible. However I...

Considering communism has never worked as a country's economic foundation...the odds are real good I will witness the fall of communist china in my lifetime.

Haydude made a good point I never considered before... The EV revolution (gales words not mine) does just transfer our wealth to china. Is this a smart move?

There was a thread about electric construction equipment a while back where the electric backhoes sat next to a diesel generator all night to charge. Brilliant...

It's amazing to me the huge blind spot people have...

You're right, putting in 200 watts per hour is going to save the day.

Youtube tv has like 70 different channels plus all my local channels. I only watch sports, news, and a few networks...but the main draw for me is the DVR function. It has unlimited storage and it's stupid simple to record shows, sports, and other things to watch when it's convenient to you.

I think your missing how camp mode works, coupled with the best case seceniro at every turn for your little hot take to be correct. If a battery is only charged to 80%, and the battery shuts down camp mode at 20%...you have 60% of usable battery, in the cold, to get you through a scenario...

Do they hold a gun to your head when you insert your card and pull the handle on the pump?

Why do you ask rhetorical questions?

China is the largest propaganda authority in the world...be careful what you believe.

Do you think there are magic crystals that generate magical energy while parked on a road?

Camp mode gives only 9 hours of "camping" before the thing shuts down to conserver power. People were stranded for more than 9 hours...do the math.

Well since we do not have 100% EV, I see it's logical to see how this could have been different with EV's. The result is not good...

Math on paper rarely works out in the real world when dealing with batteries...especially in cold weather. Maybe you missed this... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/04/imagine-virginias-icy-traffic-catastrophe-with-only-electric-vehicles/

I don't think you understand how the internet works. Everyone can find someone on the internet that backs any position out there. Substantiation on the internet is really non existent. Unless your google is broken, maybe seek out things that don't line up with your beliefs. You might just...

I think you're getting a bit confused here. You are steadfast that vapor barrier, no matter the type, needs to be next to the warm side. Which is true if you are using anything but foam. Closed cell foam is a completely different animal and you can't apply the old logic to this material...

I thought it was already determined a tree fell in the high winds on a power line.

Those are quite common here in the winter. Any day with wind is a red flag day.

Yeah...where did this notion of a v8 diesel revving higher come from. Has no-one looked at a torque curve?

That is some rando on the internet saying it's ok. That alone does not make it ok, you know that. Think about it. You want the vapor barrier next to the cold side so no warm moist air can condense on a cold wall. Then, why would you spray foam on insulation that compresses it and loose all...

I guess it is boo hoo hoo after nine hours, then it's call a tow truck or carry a generator with extra gas.

This is not correct. Never put in batts of insulation and then spray foam. Never.

The front range of colorado and wyoming have down sloping winds coming off the rockies. They can get to blowing quite strong. I don't care if the fire is in a timber stand or prairie grass...wind driven fire is just as destructive as a huge tornado or Hurricane. There is no putting them out...

Man, you guys are old.

I stopped reading after the recommendation for fram filters.

We don't distinguish between peddle vs vroom vroom...neither do doctors.

Those 6.4 were monsters, but the 1st gen of DPF motors. Using the exhaust stroke to dump fuel in 7 & 8 Cylinders to provide the fuel to burn off the DPF was a mistake. It just diluted the oil with diesel fuel and cause a lot of valves and lifters to die a premature death due to bad lubricity...

The word group was doing the heavy lifting in my comment. Name another "collective group" where that number is higher? I'll wait.

Bike riders are a life insurer's worst nightmare. We refer to bike riders as organ donors in healthcare. They have single handily provided more organ donations that any other group. Good and bad, I guess.

15w40 and 5w40 are the same at operating temp. That is what the "40" signifies.

Then it's a moot point and again, why do they even make 15w40 anymore?

No, were comparing a group II to a group III or group IV. Or at least I am.

Older tech oil never had the ability to thin out enough in cold weather like the new group III and IV base oils. 5w40 is much better in every way than 15w40.

Well...that's because the hot temp weight is unchanged. ;)

I don't even know why they make 15w40 anymore. Any newer diesel takes either 10w30 or 5w40 and all those oils are backwards compatible. The fact it's the only oil on the self during a run on oil says everything.

Gale... Your spreading and thinking click bait claims are going to be real into the future. It's a cult...

They might have changed it since I have done the process...it's been a long time since I set up my gmail account.

You don't need a phone to set up a google account. Since your posting, I assume you have wifi and a computer. That is all you need. Just go to google.com Top right of the screen there are 9 dots in a grid pattern Click on that and go to account Go through the steps to set up an account and...

buy fire stick. Download youtube tv log in* done. *Youtube tv requires a google account aka gmail account. Get that first.

Do people still believe prices rise on arbitrary dates? Why yes, yes they do.

There is an irrational fear in economics that predates a crash...it's called the fear of being left out. So many people panic buy for a fear of being left out, and then once all the demand is brought forward...the crash. I will wait for the crash in T6 once all you guys get your panic buying in.

Well I guess the tire salesman will get that end of the year quota afterall...

This might just be the quote of the thread... It's a cult.

The other huge issue is standardization among charging requirements. Tesla and Chevy have very different charging voltages needed and different plugs. They all do. Two years ago and I was in Jackson WY for a board meeting and remember vividly the cars at rest stops and turn offs with a...

That's deep gale...I'm glad you're concerned with that.

Physics is not your thing...

I think you've missed the entire point here Gale. Nobody I have seen has once advocated for staying the way we are. It's kind of a known fact, society is always moving forward. It's a trope that ignorant people want to always regress...you play that card well here. As I have said before...

If a wire is hot (or a store of energy) it means it's connected to something somewhere energizing it. But remember, the grid is all connected and is load balancing. The main lines are always hot, to maintain that load balancing. Load balancing is what makes it all work. You might have power...

From English idiomatic expression to this... That is one hell of a flex...

I guess youtube videos are the preferred way to move the EV revolution into the future...

Even CNBC is admitting to the hype and EV makers have to deliver in 2022 or risk investors fleeing. "Eventually, upstart EV makers have to prove they can do more than build nice websites, show demos and collect preorder fees."...