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I am. I was just trying to answer ovrszd's question.

Down here in my neck of the woods it's mostly Deere and Kubota.

In my opinion yes. When was the last time you paid MSRP for anything?

Not sure as I have never asked them but it is a sizable amount. I have 150 acres if that tells you anything.

I want to report to everyone that is following this thread that I called some dealers on Tractor House yesterday and what I am finding is the "Call for Price" means they are asking MSRP. If they don't give you their price on the website then they're price gouging.

I live in the rural suburbs.

Interesting as I have never heard of equipment radar. What is it exactly?

Some parts of it do but it just so happens that my particular area does not. No, in fact CNH doesn't have a single location anymore in my entire state.

Explain.

Where I live they don't really farm. The guy across the street has a Kubota.

We don't have CNH down here, I wish we did as I really like the boomers. We have one AGCO dealer way across on the other side of town but I couldn't get anywhere with them when I tried to deal with them a while back. Unfortunately, where I live there aren't any good dealers close by. The closest...

Are you referring to Deere or Kioti?

What you're going to most likely find with Kubota right now is price gouging. Dealers are asking prices that do not match the value the equipment is offering in my opinion. Kioti is probably going to be your best bet right now but take that advice with a grain of salt as I don't own one.

Hay Dude I think you planted the seed in my mind last week when you wrote this ^^^ After another round of failed attempts to try and work with the local Deere dealers yesterday I finally came to my whit's end with them and gave up. I could see the writing on the wall and my back up alternative...

**UPDATE Today makes it exactly one week since I reached out and spoke with 5030's dealer. As of today his dealer has not made good on anything he said he would do. He made no attempts to contact me or provide me any pricing.

Yep high prices will definitely bring the demand down. I think we are going to see a lot of machines on dealers lots this year if the price gouging continues.

That's why they have a lot, their prices are too high.

😂 😂 That's another approach.

Yeah he said the same thing to me yesterday. What's strange about it is my dealer down here already has some.

Have you tried looking at past sales prices on auction time?

The problem is location of nearest dealer. Deere and Kubota are the closest to me. The others are not. Yes I have looked on those websites quite a bit.

If things don't change I might just have to do that.

This is not an easy question to answer. Is there a close alternative for Kubota? No. Is there a close alternative for Deere? Maybe. Overall the dealers are frustrating to deal with. Yes but freight became one of the issues with the dealer in TX. Not necessarily. That's why I think we could all...

What I am looking for they would not have in stock.

L3902 or 3038E

Yep it's been the same experience down here in my neck of the woods. You know when an Alabama boy is talking to a dealer in Michigan the market's bad!

Uh huh I know this story too well. Tell him to break it down for you ;)

Hahaha I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I don't know enough about hay to even understand this argument 😂

Ok, what model tractor and what was the price of the tractor after horse discount without the add ons?

I prefer dumps. Glitzy places always have high prices.

Please read this thread as many of your questions were covered in detail there: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/please-read-if-you-are-a-newbie-tractor-buyer.447526/

I was hoping for more myself. Can you share with us the pricing you got?

I will do it after I have the full experience of dealing with him. I hope so as I am not doing this to make a spectacle of you. I am honestly looking for a good dealer to deal with. If your guy turns out to be honest and worth dealing with then I think the whole community here should know about...

Are you serious? The guy I spoke to was Keith. Had quite a lengthy and pleasant conversation with him. Said his dad started the business in 1951 as a IH dealer which was the same time my grandfather started our family business. He was very easy to talk to and seemed interested in helping me and...

Non sense, it just started. I called and talked to him today. I will report back once he gets back with me as he said he would do.

Because you can't avoid them. Example of this is the telecommunications industry. Horrible but you can't avoid them.

My beef with the top earners is not about how much they pay in taxes but rather how much they pay for help. The companies that are rated worst in customer satisfaction scores have the greatest financial ability to pay to get better help. Yet they pay the least for their help and have the most...

The way I see it, the post count is a reflection of your growth and maturity as a person and member here. When you start out as a new member/apprentice you don't know much and are like a child needing to be feed and cared for by the community. After enough time is spent doing research, studying...

It might also be tied to culture as well. Down here in my state these folks aren't what you call "very progressive". But then again, maybe I just don't meet the right people either. The older generation that seems to be the most tech savy seems to also be the most educated. After reading some of...

A lot of us out here are not accepting this price gouging that is going on. I started a thread addressing this very issue this past Friday. I think we all have to help each other out on this forum right now. That means reporting when dealers are engaging in this type of behavior and recommending...

Of course JD does not want to give that up without a hard fight, that is the most profitable part of their business. I'm starting to realize now that this push by them to go electric is just another way cooked up by the company to keep owners from working on their own equipment.

Dave's not a bad guy. I'm not a big fan of him and I certainly don't agree with all of his positions on finances but I don't think he is a bad guy. What he does that I think turns you and some others off to him is he takes these hard line positions on certain topics such as debt and as an...

Absolutely! That quote came out of the Spring 1965 issue of Ford Farming, an old Ford tractor magazine that is no longer in print. I can assure you that Ford 3000 I have is and always will be the best tractor there ever was! That tractor by all accounts should not be running anymore but still...

Who did you use for delivery and how competitive are they?

Si Señor Gracias

OMG I'm falling out of my chair laughing 🤣🤣🤣

Willy, the Yanmar dealers can't get anything right now.

LMAO..... :ROFLMAO:

I tell you what 5030, you have ranted and raved about this dealer of yours for I don't know how long. I'm going to call this guy up next week and find out if he is as good as you keep saying he is. And just to let you know, I will report back here what happens. So prepare to be validated or...

At the rate the interest rates are rising it's going to take 2 years to get where we should already be adjusting now.

That unfortunately seems to be the majority of them.

That's exactly what my local dealer is doing. He's price gouging to pay for new facilities down the road (smh).

I'm glad you bring that up as my father is a member of the Credit Union and I had been hearing talk around here that some people were getting 2.25 percent loans for tractors at their Credit Unions. Well ours refused to do it. They weren't anywhere even close to that rate.

Except one of the most important which is mowing.

You are not required to own a horse to become a member.

The dealer I got a price from today is a family owned dealership that has been in the local area for 45 years. The owner is nice as heck and very warm and personable but his prices are cold as ice.

Thanks for the feedback. I have heard some other people saying similar things about some dealers not honoring the discount but I don't see how they couldn't. If Kubota advertises it then they are required as a dealer to honor it. If they do not honor it then it is a breach of their franchise...

I just returned home from paying my local Kubota dealer a visit today and the prices I was given was at and above MSRP. Dealers are now trying to sell at MSRP so I recommend that you guys rethink the manufactures financing. At this point it doesn't make sense anymore and I would advise all of...

The one and only...Ain't that right, Dan?

That's the story we have been getting around here on TBN the last couple of years. The same thing happened here in my state. Doing business with a company when the management is in charge instead of the owners almost always never works.

Roy I can agree with you on this about Deere. After two long years of research, I reached the conclusion that Deere has the highest batting average in the industry for reliability. They are the only manufacturer that includes transportation in the extended warranty and a lot of the dealers offer...

100% Even if you have to wait a while or even drive a much further distance to do so. Having a dealer 5 miles away is a dream. If I was you I would be leaning the same way also.

Why? Because of the number of ranges?

That's the other issue here, what is his Deere dealer like to deal with? Many people on this forum including myself can attest to not having a good experience with the local Deere dealer. And for the premium they are charging it doesn't make any sense.

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Oh yeah I have heard that one before to 😂 :rolleyes:

What I find the most interesting thing about this place is the age of a lot of these members here. You have guys in their 70's and 80's who are posting everyday on here. It kind of blows my mind as most people from that generation are computer illiterate yet this crowd here has completely blown...

Yeah since I started this thread I began to take a closer look and it seems to be the equivalent of Arnold's Drive-In for TBN. Weird as I never knew such a thing existed for this place. I tell you this place is like Pandora's box at times. No never but I'm going to check it out now.

Never heard that one before 😄

I have no problem with being called "Mate" as I know that's how you guys talk down under but I do have a problem with someone calling me buddy. It is condescending and disrespectful and I have been known to correct people out in the real world that have played their hand with me like that.

I was perusing through the site tonight when I stumbled upon a mega thread I had never seen before. The number of views, replies and pages is astonishing. I had no idea there were any threads on this site that had gotten to that size. I thought the flail mower thread was the biggest. However...

That's the problem here. I can tell you that nobody's opinion can be substituted for you getting some actual experience with the two machines.

How is it that the automakers can produce products with quality paint but the tractor manufacturers can not?

Ray how do you know that all the tractor manufacturers are not using quality paint and finishes as you have stated here? I'm not here to challenge you just curious.

Understanding what the direct comparison models are for each brand can get a little tricky since not all brands have the same size tractor within the same class. It might be worth someone starting a thread detailing out what all the direct comparisons would be for each brand for the newbies.

If you stick with this stuff long enough, one day you will.

Thanks for pointing that out. I used the wrong term. I should of said resale value. Correcting it now. Update: I decided to use both terms to cover both bases as in some circumstances they might get a pretty good trade in value depending on the market and dealer circumstances.

This is a great question as I have had a similar interest before in the past. If you find this information please post it as I think it would be really interesting to see.

Hello to all of you out there that are new to the tractor world. I imagine many of you have either just purchased some land or inherited some land and have many big plans on the horizon for your property. You have come here because you are looking to get information about purchasing a tractor...

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I don't get what their end game is. If you call for the price and the price isn't right and they don't want to come off the price then the exchange is over with. All this could be done much quicker in a email instead of wasting time on a phone call.

Good question :unsure:

Update: So I got a call from the dealer today and he left a message on my phone answering my email instead of replying to it. He is asking above MSRP price which explains why they are advertising it nationally and not giving a price. Should I waste my time haggling with him or just move on?

If they're actually interested in selling the tractor why don't they just email me back?

I just sent the dealer another email through Tractorhouse this time. How many of you think I will actually get a response this time?

I sent an inquiring email this past Thursday to a dealer selling a tractor on Tractorhouse and I still have not received any reply.

It's anecdotal.

You make a lot of valid points but so does he ⤵️

As did I along with other things. Truth be known, I made similar mistakes as the people I was referring to. It's natural to look for answers from "the guys that know" but you don't get educated that way. Then you become reliant on other peoples opinion and you never form your own because you...

He genuinely likes and prefers Deere over everything else. But the guy makes some serious bank from that YT channel 🤑

Willy, the word on the street that I have been hearing is dealers can not get Yanmars right now. I know I called all the dealers in my local area about the YM models and they said they have been on order for over a year with no delivery date in sight.

That's many peoples problem with this industry. Here is a video of a guy that used to work as a insider but retired and got out of the industry back in 2014. I know this guy personally and he is one of the best people you will ever meet or have the pleasure of doing business with but his empathy...

Kioti and MF tend to copy everything Kubota does. Now that Kubota changed the layout on the L02 series I am sure Kioti and Agco will soon follow.

Does anyone know if Kioti is offering an extended warranty?

Henry senior didn't it was his son that didn't make good on the deal. Back in those days people did business on a handshake and it wasn't uncommon to do business without a formal contract to be written.

Why can't they just use tractorhouse?

It's been two years for me. A lot of people come on here everyday posting the same kind of threads over and over and over again asking the same kind of questions. "What is your opinion about X brand tractor versus X brand tractor" or "what do you think would work best for my property" or what's...

Please clarify by what you mean here. When it resides with the seller it's never about price? What is it about then? Profits? Margins?

Add Alabama in that as well.

Scotty, I'm completely with you. I also wanted a great buying experience. In fact, I was really excited to go shopping for tractors as I knew this would be a once in a lifetime experience for me and I was getting to do it with my 80 year old father which made it all the more special. However, I...

Mr. Haney types 😂😂😂 Dude you have a way with words! LMAO....:ROFLMAO:

I never knew you were a machinery dealer Scotty! What did you sell?

The industry was doing this long before covid or supply shortages.

Yep, what he was talking about in that video has been about my experience as well. Here's another example of some of the brain dead stuff you get when you go tractor shopping:

My thoughts are the compensation must not be that great or they wouldn't be behaving this way. When there's little to no money in something then people don't take it serious. Haha not in my town, it was 100% indifferent and unknowledgeable.

I don't think it can be found anymore. I think it has to be developed.

This industry has gone to fixed pricing they're just not being transparent about it like Tesla and some of the others out there.

Ouch..

I think you just proved my point 😅

But those are two very different tractors. They have absolutely nothing in common with each other. One is a real Massey Ferguson and the other one is just an Iseki with a Massey badge on it. I don't see your logic here other then you saying you had a good experience with the brand so you're...

That's because they're really in business to sell parts. They make far more money out of those parts then they do the equipment sales.

This is a true statement. The theory/purpose behind it is so dealers don't get into pricing wars with each other and to give each dealer an opportunity to build perceived value to the customer during the purchasing process. In reality all this does is make it much more difficult and time...

That shows you right there what is the most profitable for them.

Same here.

I 100% agree with what you said. That's exactly how I see it. If they don't care enough to pick up the phone and return my call that's all I need to see. They lost my business and those dollars will be going somewhere else. I will not award someone my business unless they have earned it. You're...

The phones are not the problem it's the people and policies that are behind the other end of those phones that is the problem. Welcome to publicly traded corporate America and it's F-U customer service.

Good Works Tractors shared this survey in a video that was uploaded this morning to YouTube. There are two versions of the article which I provided below...

The only problem is you can't purchase equipment from Messick's unless you are in their territory so guys like us who live in the less densely populated states will still be beholding to the small mom and pop dealers which isn't always a bad thing.

5000 hours is a long time for a clutch to last. My late 60's Ford 3000 has around that many hours and still the original clutch. That tractor is like the Keith Richards of tractors I think.

Well said and I agree.

I can relate to what you're saying. I have a local Deere dealer here in my area that I can't stand but I really like the equipment. So last year when I was looking for flail mowers I came across a dealer up in Fort Payne that I connected with good and after several back and forth conversations I...

That was one of the things he said they would say. He said they would blame the customer for the breakdown or failure even though it had nothing to do with them. He cited one example of a blown engine at 5 hours and Kubota blaming the customer for it. However, I have heard this same story about...

I would put it at 30 million.

I did some thinking about what you said and I think understand you now. What I think you were trying to say is getting the tractor you want with all the features and specs that you want is what is most important to you when you are in the market to purchase a tractor. You can have a good brand...

That's interesting because I have heard the opposite about Kubota as well. I was just having a conversation with a gentleman last week online that used to work at a Kubota dealer in a top service role and he said they would always try to find ways to weasel out of paying warranty claims. My...

I'm assuming they are European?

It's like the machine version of a moonwalk

Yeah he left that part out didn't he 😅

I agree that's why I prefer commercial

100% I think your logic is sound here. That to is another solid point to make. Let's assume the Tweels cost $4K that's additional money that you could spend on upgrading or buying other implements.

Yeah but how much money can a piece of farmland fetch for farming purposes like that? A few hundred dollars a month?

You know I totally forgot about fruit tractors. I have seen them before under specialty tractors but forget about that design so thanks for sharing. When I look at your tractor picture in your avatar it seems to me that the design is replicating gears in a gear box thus creating a lever of...

The only problem is buying land does not give you passive income like a rental property or dividend would.

All that makes perfect sense.

Since we have delved down into the physics of how tires work I would like to ask why the front tires are usually so small? I'm thinking the reason being for steering purposes? If it's a silly question forgive me but I figure lets not leave any stone unturned at this point.

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Then you don't consider any distance unreasonable.

So it's a combination of weight and penetration/contact area to achieve traction.

So then what you're saying is it's not just about contact area it's also about weight. A lot of contact area with not much weight is still not a perfect recipe for traction.

It's a little more complicated then that. Weight effects the size and weight of the implement that you can safely pull. It also effects how much you can lift and pull. This is where Jeff has a lot of valid points in what he preaches around here.

What does he have?

This video reiterates what Murphy said about a tire being compared to a gear:

That is true, thanks for pointing it out. Ok so there is a $2117 difference in price between the L3301 and the L3901 but there is a $2617 different in price between the L2501 and L3301. How much of that is being spent on emissions and electronics is anyone's best guess. I have heard it said...

True 😂

This introduces another perspective into this discussion: Wider versus taller and narrower Somehow this discussion has turned into rocket science now 👨‍🔬

I'm posting this as it speaks to what this thread is discussing:

Addendum: What I think is driving the current numbering system is different engine tunes. What is causing an extreme amount of confusion for the consumer is frame sizing and weight. I am going to reshare this video as I think it is the best explanation out here so far to explain the relationship...

After spending some time reading this thread: First Time Tractor Purchase TYM? or something else? I did a comparison tonight of pricing between a L2501 with Hydrostat transmission and 4wd with no loader and a L3901 hydrostat and 4wd with no loader and what I discovered is there is a 5K...

Prometheus this came up in my YT news feed today and it totally speaks to everything I was explaining to you. I think you should watch this. I know this guy personally and think he a great resource for information.

What do you consider an unreasonable distance?

Believe it or not FB groups are becoming a very valuable source of perspective and information. You can get a pretty good birds eye view of how well a brand is performing overall with customers and their satisfaction level. I really enjoy TBN and how we all dive very deep in these discussions...

I'm assuming this is a FB group?

You're exactly right which is why in hindsight I have learned that you have to narrow the choices down as soon as possible. The easiest way to achieve that is by looking at who your local dealers are and then eliminating any brands that are not local to you. The next phase is to determine what...

Hey Prometheus, you have quiet a few tractors that you are considering right now and they are all different HP and sizes. This list needs to be narrowed down. I understand where you're at because I was there at one time to. This industry can be overwhelming when it comes to choices. Though it's...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the taller tire can cover more distance in a shorter amount of time then the shorter tire.

Interesting :unsure: makes sense.

If someone is going to sell a piece of equipment locally they will post on craigslist. If someone wants to sell nationally they will post on tractor house. Selling a tractor from out of state on a local website doesn't make sense.

Please explain. What is the advantage of the large diameter tire over the smaller one?

I think you're right.

I guess it depends on the application but then again I saw this video

I say the dead give away here was the price. Plus she wouldn't be selling the tractor herself she would have some male family member doing it for her.

Correct me if I'm wrong fellas but I think a lot of the weight discussions are coming up in regards to counter balancing the tractor for loader work.

eq?

COB?

Interesting.

We have one member here who preaches the gospel of weight: Tractor Sizing - TRACTOR WEIGHT as ONE (1) CRITERION in TRACTOR SELECTION My question is why aren't other alternatives being considered by the industry like this one:

Is this what Kubota is referring to when they state the L3901 has Integral type power steering?

The issue with that is the huge price difference. The 3R tractor are $7500-$10,000 more then a L3901 and that's not including the loader or any implements.

What needs to change is a way to easily recall these people after their first two years of their election term. The current recall system is a joke.

I hear you on the Fords, I'm a big Ford fan. In fact Ford is the only tractor I'm a fan of. It's really a shame that they sold their tractor interests out to Fiat.

Very true.

Yep my dad is in that group.

You mean noobs?

How could it already be out of warranty if it's a 2019 model?

Really? What was their reasons?

Would you include all 3 series or just the 3R?

I saw this video in my news feed this evening and decided to give it a watch. After listening to the guy discuss his issue with the tractor he then ended by saying he should have bought a Kubota. My immediate reaction was What??? Why? Because you have an issue that needs to go back to the dealer...

Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. I used to operate heavy equipment for a living and I personally witnessed a guy do something that he had done for 30 years that nearly cost him his life. It wasn't even anything so called, "stupid" either besides the fact that he...

The most unlikely statement made about that manufacturer.

I can only guess that you are referring to JD :rolleyes:

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lmao 😄

Is Shoup much better with their pricing 5030?

Not picking on the value brands but this seems to be a somewhat common story that I hear about those dealers. I guess they have trouble getting enough market share?

One of the local Kubota dealers in my neck of the woods did the same recently. I think what happened is his whole business model was built around sales and when he couldn't get any inventory he didn't have the cash flows to sustain his expenses long term. The dealer who bought it is not anyone I...

Well said. I just realized that you don't see stuff like this until you get into higher horsepower tractors. However with that being said, I do believe JD offers a 540E PTO on their 3R series tractors.

I don't think anyone is going to argue with what you're saying. This is one of those examples where there are other tools more suitable for the job.

True but that front wheel is barely turning...it looks more like it is being pushed across that slope.

Yeah it said Thailand. No way would I ever attempt that.

I really expected for him to roll it.

I was not aware of this...learn something new every time I come on here.

I'm all in for him buying the D9 😄

I saw this on a FB group and really didn't think it was going to end well so I decided to share it with you guys for a little bit of entertainment.

Exactly my thoughts. How could any dealer sell one of those in good faith or conscience?

Could you specify what "industry analyst reports" you read? Who are these "analysts" that you are referring to?

Yes. I am surprised to find that they had any buyers for them at any price much less those prices :oops:

Yeah you can say that again. What's even crazier is this: https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/farm-equipment/auction-results/list/category/1111/tractors-less-than-40-hp/manufacturer/kubota/model-group/b3350?ecid=7