12 Volt charger Deruster

   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #3  
I've actually used that method a good bit. It does work great...
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #4  
It works extremely well. Get an old bucket, barrel or tank, a battery charger, some sacrificial metal and have at it. Just make sure you get the polarity right.

M.D.
 

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I thought some on here might enjoy that and some have beat me to it!!!;)

I have swinging mailbox prototype that my welding intructor gave me, just a bit rusty. I will get done as soon as the weather gets warmer!!!

Mighty Dodge,
Any hints on correct voltage, opps amperage??
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #6  
I have used this technique extensively and would like to express my opinion on the safety aspects of free hydrogen from the electrolysis of water.

The link includes statements in two places about the danger of free hydrogen in enclosed spaces. There is no danger of hydrogen accumulating in an explosive concentration inside any enclosed space that has enough ventilation to support human life.

The problem with hydrogen is not that it concentrates. The problem is that it dissipates so readily that it is extremely difficult to collect and contain. Simply being air tight is not good enough to keep hydrogen contained. You are not courting death or explosion if you run the electrolysis bath inside your shop and allow the hydrogen (and oxygen) to dissipate into the atmosphere of your shop.

The process generates hydrogen so slowly and the hydrogen dissipates so rapidly that the risk of creating an explosive concentration is on about the same order as the risk of suffocating inside your house due to the buildup of carbon dioxide from your exhaled breath. It's a non-issue.

But I will emphasize the importance for getting the polarity correct. If you connect the positive lead to your workpiece, and leave it in the bath for an extended time, I can state from personal experience that you WILL destroy whatever it is you're trying to clean. That is not an opinion, it's a demonstrable fact. Note the red color of the positive lead on the battery charger. Red means danger. Hooking the RED lead to your workpiece is DANGEROUS to your workpiece's health.

As far as amperage/voltage is concerned, a 12 volt battery charger is sufficient. The greater the amperage the faster the process completes. If the amperage is so high that it generates enough heat to boil the water, then you probably ought to cut it back a little. It's doubtful that a regular homeowner type battery charger will output enough power to be of any concern. I'm tickled to death if my battery charger shows more than 3 or 4 amps during the process. If your charger needle pegs out, then you've probably got direct contact between the anode(s) and your workpiece.

For my next de-rusting task, I think I'll try using my DC stick welder as a power source just to see if I can get the amperage up enough to make the process go a little more quickly.
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #7  
As Tom said a battery charger works fine. I use an old sears 12/2 amp charger. I use it on the low setting most of the time, draws about 6 or 7 amps. I started out with a 5 gallon bucket and moved up to a 100 gal tank. I've put tractor rims, parts and whole engine blocks in there to de-rust. In the big tank I put 2 boxes of Arm & Hammer washing soda. I didn't want to use that much water from my well at one time either so each time a load of laundry was was done I pumped the used water to the tank. For my sacrificial metal had had 4 used brake rotors that I welded to 1/2 rod. They're pitted but still working after 3 years. To keep the rod from being consumed by the process I just let the crud build up on them and don't clean it off. It insulates them from the process. Oh yeah, the tank in my pictures is a Rubbermade tank. It sprung a leak. Get one of the 110 gal rubber stock tanks from Tractor Supply.

M.D.
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #8  
It might bear mention that some of the computer controlled "automatic" chargers won't put out a change unless there is a battery attached. Found this out the hard way...So I went to Harbor Freight and bought a cheap charger with an ammeter and got it home only to find it was an automatic too.I did a little research on the internet and found that I could work around the circuit board inside by just pigtailing in a couple of diodes. Works great now and the neighbor got his charger back.
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #9  
bobodu

Works great now and the neighbor got his charger back.
Did you tell him that is what you were using it for that?:D Just kidding, did you find any that would work without pigtailing circuits?


So, my main concern is the hydrogen. Anybody else willing to support Tom's claim? i'm not one that is willing to possibly blow up my garage! :eek:
 
   / 12 Volt charger Deruster #10  
I quit looking for another charger after I got my new spare,spare (I now have three) to work...I'll just label it clearly NOT FOR BATTERIES!!!

You know.....unless you were using this in a tightly closed area with a PROBABLE ignition source...I wouldn't worry too much about the hydrogen. But I also spray paint tractors in a barn with a wood stove.I wouldn't suggest doing this in a basement next to the gas water heater though...

TOM...I tried the welder!!! It works...boy does it work at 40 amps.
DON'T REPOSITION A PART WITH IT TURNED ON!!!!
Umm...you wanna know why? Really????
I may not be having kids......
 

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