1430 v 1845

   / 1430 v 1845 #1  

jfdlaw

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I remember a couple of you went to Tazewell looking at the 1430 and ended up purchasing a 1845. I'm in a similar dilemma. What were your reasons for choosing the 1845 over the 1430?
As I see it, if I choose the single wheel version of the 1845 it lays out as follows:
1845 has:
15 more horsepower
700 (approx) lbs heavier
runs virtually same attachments (I know about the diverter for hydrolic pto driven attachments)
slightly wider and longer
slightly larger turning radius

The 1430 is probably all the machine I need, but I wonder if the 50% increase in power would be a benefit in the future.
 
   / 1430 v 1845 #3  
<font color="red">went to Tazewell looking at the 1430 and ended up purchasing a 1845 </font>
I'm one of those. I'm happy with the 1845. I had hoped to have it mow the lawn along with pasture mowing, loader work, etc. With the 72" rough cut deck, however, it's too big for the lawn, so I got an Exmark walk behind. Under the "If some's good, more's better" rule, I'd be even happier with an 1850 or A 1460. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I mow the pastures with the 72" rough-cut and a 60" wing mower. Since it bogs a bit in heavy grass going uphill, I suspect the 1430 would not be able to handle it. This spring, I got a post pounder. It is high and heavy. A 1430 could use it, but only with the greatest care not to let the pounder turn the tractor over. Maybe a 1460? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
As I recall, the 1430 has a parking brake of some kind, rather than the brake tender. When properly adjusted, the brake tender is a really good feature. It holds the machine where you stop it whenever the lever is moved or the power shut down. It does require perioodic adjustment, and reliance on an automatic feature has some hazards, but I like the system.
All you have to do is compare the machines in Tazewell. Did I mention a 1460?
 
   / 1430 v 1845 #4  
I also seriously considered both the 1430 and 1445 before settling on a (used, but like new) 1845 for steep terrain tree and brush removal for fire mitigation at 8000 ft in Colorado.

Power was one consideration, as non-turbo engines tend to lose over 25% of sea-level rated power at such altitude, by starting at 45 I still have nearly 35 available. The three cylinder 45 HP Deutz is also inherently smoother than the two cylinder 30 HP model, especially at low speeds.

The main reason however, was as Charlie mentioned, the Brake Tender failsafe large-diameter hydraulic disc brake system developed and approved for mining equipment use. Whatever else one can say about OSHA and MSHA type regulations, they are usually way overdesigned for "normal" applications. Only the PT-1845 and 1850 "slope mowers" are available with this system.

As my operating environment was to be mainly on long rough 20 to 35 plus degree hill sides, I wanted to make absolutely positively sure I would have fully capable four-wheel brakes that I could mannualy or have automatically apply in the event of a sudden engine or hydraulic hose-burst type failure.

I have not had the (miss)fortune to put them to the test in failure mode, but they have worked well in manual mode, and also automatically apply whenever you shut engine off so you do not forget. One slightly annoying aspect is that if you momentarily lug the engine down such as in digging with the loader bucket, the hydraulic pressure that keeps the brakes released can drop below the threshold and apply them. You simply flip the lever back to the release position and continue on. This does not happen often.

On the plus side for the 1445 however, it comes with higher torque wheel motors, larger and heavier duty tires, more ground clearance, and higher capacity and reach lift arms. It (and all other models above other than the slope mower series) has fail-safe internal "wet disc" brakes on all four wheels (I think) that work in a similar manner, but are not as capable of bringing a loaded or moving machine on steeper terain to a quick halt. The 1445 is avaliable with 15" wide supper turf tires if lawn mowing is to be a primary task.

The 1430 (and all models below) has a "pin-type" parking brake that operates only on the front wheels (I believe) like the "park" function of an automatic transmission in that the machine MUST be completely stopped before applying. This can be tricky if you are on a hill in the first place, and you may also have to apply opposite power to release it under the same circumstances.

So long as the engine and hydraulic systems are fully functional, you can slow down, stop, and reverse direction at will and very smoothly with these machines, it is under extreme conditions or catastrophic failure (such as burst hose) that a fail-safe type brake system can save your butt (and expensive machine).

The current PT price lists only show the 1845 and 1850 including a mower deck and with dual wheels/tires plus tilt seat, etc. They are really aiming these machines at the commercial/municipal market. They may be willing to sell a package more to your needs however.

Good Luck,

Rip
 
   / 1430 v 1845
  • Thread Starter
#5  
One reason I'm looking at a 1845 instead of a 1445 is the available bucket sizes. I have a Polaris Ranger I use to transport stuff (mulch, leaves, dirt, gravel) around the property. The inside of the bed is 54" wide. I want to get a 54" bucket to avoid spillage over the sides.
It looks like I can get a 54" bucket for a 1845, but not for the 1445. I understand the 1845 uses the same attachment plate as a 1430 and can use the same attachments, with the caution that it has higher hydraulic flow and pressure and may need a diverter valve for the attachments that use the hydraulic PTO.
It's sound like the 1845 might be best for me.
 
   / 1430 v 1845 #6  
Once you have the PT, will you need the ranger to transport? I ask this because I use our little 425 as a motorized wheel barrow very often. Our manual wheel barrow is getting nearer the junk pile each week.
 
   / 1430 v 1845 #7  
<font color="red"> I want to get a 54" bucket to avoid spillage over the sides.
It looks like I can get a 54" bucket for a 1845, but not for the 1445 </font>
I'm not arguing for a 1445 and against my own 1845, but I'd bet if you wanted a 54" bucket with the 1445 attach plate, Power Trac would work with you. The 1445 is a huskier machine, and does use generally heavier and more costly attachments. The 1845 and 1430 attach plates are the same, as I recall. All the attachments I have bought have been from the 1845 list, except the Lackender hoe and the W.R. Long 4 n 1 bucket. PT didn't offer those when I bought mine. I use a diverter valve to redirect the tilt circuit to the bucket curl on the hoe, or the 4 n 1 open/close so I don't have to use the aux PTO. I would think you want to steer clear of any attachment that might be overpowered by the 1845 hydraulics.
 
   / 1430 v 1845
  • Thread Starter
#8  
The ranger will always stay since it carries three people, and its a long way (up hill) from the water to the house. The Ranger spends more time carrying people than stuff. (Plus its fun. )

The only PTO driven attachment I plan on using in the immediate future is a snowblower, and they size one for the 1845.
 
   / 1430 v 1845 #9  
I'll second what Charlie said about PT being willing to set up a 54" bucket for a 1445 if that is what you want. Bear in mind that the lift specs for a PT are usually on the conservative side, although it may take a few hundred pounds of rear ballast to avoid the PT-Pucker when turning with a max load.

You can carry a lot with the larger buckets though, so it could be more convenient to scoup and carry rather than transfer to a Ranger which does not carry all that much anyway. In real world, 1845 will probably carry as much, and 1445 more than Ranger.

Good Luck,

Rip
 

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