Price Check 2004 3510

[Judy_in_NC]

I hope this is the best place to post my question. I have a 2004 3510 shuttle shift w/FEL and backhhoe. The backhoe is a 3375 model - heavy duty - does great work. Here's the question. I recently started having issues getting the tractor to go into gear. I was hoping it would involve a simple shifter cabel adjustment. Sent it to my local dealer - 45 miles away (not the one I bought it from - they are no longer in business). They told me the synchronizers are bad. Quoted me $5,000 to replace. I distrust them, because they did some unauthorized repairs to the tractor (telling me they adjusted the cable - said it worked much better, charged for a hydraulic fluid change and two hours labor (when the bill says they simply "topped off" the fluid, and since I had inquired about a replacement moisture cap for the ignition, they put a whole new ignition on it. Sent it back to me with a $2,000! bill. Tractor wouldn't go into gear, it was undrivable. I told the delivery guy to take it back - it wasn't usable. That's when they said the REAL problem was that the synchronizers needed replacing and wanted an additional $5,000. for that. I haven't paid them anything yet, but started talks with them about "trading up". They offered me $7,000 as is for the tractor and FEL. Don't want to give me much of anything for the backhoe, as it will "only fit a tractor with a subframe", claims it limits its usefulness too much. We are kind of at a standstill. I treat this tractor with "kid goves". It has about 600 hours on it. Don't understand how the synchronizers have gone out on it. I did have to replace the clutch within about two years of my original purchase, so I am wonderiing if they had a kid driving it around their lot before I bought it and was "crashing" gears, and overusing the clutch. I've had it 13 years since then with no further issues.

Sorry for the long message, but I am trying to decide whether to take what I consider a low amount for trade in on my current equipment, or have mine repaired at a facility that I don't trust, due to how they did on the initial "repair".

Does anyone have thoughts on the value of my machine if I have the sychronizers replaced, and it has no other current issues?

 

[nards444]

Got to be careful on what you inquired them about and told them to do and not do. I guess speak to the manager and go from there. Really have a few choices. 1. Pay for everything and get it back and it works. 2. Try to talk down them down on the 2k and get the tractor back and get a second opinion somewhere else. 3. Do the trade, but think if you trade you have to look at it this way. They would give you 7, and wouldn't be paying 7k to get it fixed(the original 2k plus the 5k). So really that's like them giving you 14k. My guess is that machine is only worth maybe 14-15k working anyways. They are kind of right on the back hoe, only going to fit your machine potentially and not everybody wants one.

 

[George2615]

I see used 2004 3510's w/ loader advertised for $9500-12,000 without a BH. Yours should be worth more than that (14-15K) if it was in good running condition with low hours. What hurts however, is you say the dealer returned the tractor and it is unusable. That is NOT a good selling point for you. Not many (if any) would want to buy it if it's unusable. I feel bad for you if the dealer truly has falsified service work (topping off vs charging for a hyd. fluid change and replacing ign. switch) which is doing work not authorized. I don't know if I'd trust that dealer.

Could you sell the BH separately to another 3510 owner then trade in for the 7K the dealer offered for the tractor and loader. If not you are kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. .
As is, you have an unusable tractor. If you put an additional 5K into repairs you will still have a low hour tractor and should get many more years out of it. Maybe you need a quote from another dealer.

 

[ovrszd]

Does the tractor use a dry clutch?

I'm wondering if the clutch is out of adjustment and not releasing completely. To test this, shut off the engine, push in the clutch, shift the trans from gear to gear. If it shifts easily, and then is impossible to shift with the engine running it would be caused by the main shaft in the trans trying to turn all the time when engine is running. That would relate to a clutch problem.

 

[Judy_in_NC]

Does the tractor use a dry clutch?

I'm wondering if the clutch is out of adjustment and not releasing completely. To test this, shut off the engine, push in the clutch, shift the trans from gear to gear. If it shifts easily, and then is impossible to shift with the engine running it would be caused by the main shaft in the trans trying to turn all the time when engine is running. That would relate to a clutch problem.

I DEFINITELY want to test that. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Judy_in_NC]

Strangely enough, they kind of shot themselves in the foot on the paperwork, admitting they simply "topped the fluid off", but on the same page charging for a fluid change. Thankfully, I had the foresight to photograph the bill when they tried to return the tractor to me, so if they "loose" the paperwork, I can prove what it originally said. As far as the ignition switch charge, it is probably going to be my word against theirs. But a $365 charge for my simply inquring if a moisture cap was replaceable is pretty crazy in my mind. When I went to the dealer and talked about "trading up", he said his goal was to "eat" that bill, but if I don't buy a tractor, he is likely to want all the charges paid in full. I like this tractor, and my preference would be to get it repaired and keep it, but I don't trust them not to pull more "stunts" if I give them the go-ahead to repair it. Regarding selling the back hoe, don't know how marketable it might be, having to find another owner that has a subframe mount, but no back hoe - probably not likely to find.

 

[Judy_in_NC]

Does the tractor use a dry clutch?

I'm wondering if the clutch is out of adjustment and not releasing completely. To test this, shut off the engine, push in the clutch, shift the trans from gear to gear. If it shifts easily, and then is impossible to shift with the engine running it would be caused by the main shaft in the trans trying to turn all the time when engine is running. That would relate to a clutch problem.

Does the tractor have to be split for this sort of repair?

 

[ovrszd]

Does the tractor have to be split for this sort of repair?

Not if it's a dry clutch. Simple linkage adjustment. Not sure about maintenance adjustment on a hydraulic oil clutch.

I suggest you start another thread in the Mahindra section. Title it something concerning "hard to get trans in/out of gear" or something like that.

The title of this thread won't get the attention you need here.

I only viewed it because I couldn't figure out what the subject might be and was curious.

There is a large Mahindra group here on TBN.

 

[Judy_in_NC]

Not if it's a dry clutch. Simple linkage adjustment. Not sure about maintenance adjustment on a hydraulic oil clutch.

I suggest you start another thread in the Mahindra section. Title it something concerning "hard to get trans in/out of gear" or something like that.

The title of this thread won't get the attention you need here.

I only viewed it because I couldn't figure out what the subject might be and was curious.

There is a large Mahindra group here on TBN.

Thank you so much for your advise! Is there a simple way to tell if it's a dry clutch or hydraulic oil? I have the service manual for this tractor.

 

[ovrszd]

Thank you so much for your advise! Is there a simple way to tell if it's a dry clutch or hydraulic oil? I have the service manual for this tractor.

Research the manual for "clutch adjustment". That will guide you. But then, it may say "for clutch adjustment see your local dealer".

If you get some Mahindra owners involved in this discussion they'll quickly educate you in the process.

If you start another thread over there you might come back here and post a link to that thread. So in the future if someone stumbles onto this thread searching for answers they can follow over to the other thread for conclusion.