2005 model Ford trucks

BigDave · Oct 21, 2004

Pulling a trailer, no problem. Just as long as it was downhill, with a tail wind, and someone else was towing the Suzuki. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BHarrison · Nov 15, 2004

( ( The first auto manufacturer that can get a light truck into the market with a diesel will make a killing. )

My bet is the new Toyota pickup as a 2007 Model. How would that be seen with Toyota beating the three domestic makers to the market /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

BTW, built in Texas.....I'd buy one.

Kevin )

Is this wishful thinking, or do you have any type of inside on this info?

thanks

-Ben

johnday · Nov 15, 2004

All; Does anyone have a clue why FoMoCo went with that little 6.0, or 365 VT as Navstar calls it? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif What was wrong with the 7.3, or T444E as Navstar calls that. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif One thing I wondered about in addition is why Ford never opted for the 466 or even the 530HT! Now, if you were to turn either one of those up GM and Dodge would really have red faces instead of RED trucks. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cowboydoc · Nov 15, 2004

The ONLY reason that ford went with the 6.0 litre is because of the ridiculous emission standards that are being imposed on vehicles. There was no way possible to get the 7.3 to be emission compliant. That is why they had to go with a whole new design. It's also why there were initially alot of problems. Ford went places with a diesel that there basically was no technology to draw from. All the previous technology was completely thrown out with these new motors. It's also why it took so long to get fixes for some of the problems. Most of the time it was easy to fix the problems but to fix the problem and stay within the emission standards was the big hangup.

Joe1 · Nov 15, 2004

How would the 444 and 530 HT compare in weight to the 6.0? I suspect they would be quite a bit heavier.

If I recall correctly, back in 1960 or 1961 GMC was either offering a 4 cyl diesel in their light duty pick up or were going to. I believe it was a one year only option and was very unpopular.

Cummins doesn't have to develop a small diesel for Chryler, they can get all they want from Mercedes and are offering one in the Jeep Liberty.

An interesting discussion.
I recall a Popular Mechanica article from the 1970's or thereabouts where they took a 3 cyl Yanmar tractor diesel of around 25 hp and dropped it into either an Austin Healey Sprite or an MG Midget. With Overdrive, it had a top speed of 65 MPH and got 60 MPG.

beagdog · Nov 15, 2004

Not just the weight, but the physical dimensions of the DT466 and DT530 would make it difficult to fit into a pickup chassis. Not impossible, but difficult.

hobbyfarm · Nov 15, 2004

( ( The first auto manufacturer that can get a light truck into the market with a diesel will make a killing. )

My bet is the new Toyota pickup as a 2007 Model. How would that be seen with Toyota beating the three domestic makers to the market

BTW, built in Texas.....I'd buy one.
)
Toyota still turn our dollars into Yen, and I'll never own one.

hobbyfarm · Nov 15, 2004

( Cummins doesn't have to develop a small diesel for Chryler, they can get all they want from Mercedes and are offering one in the Jeep Liberty )

You know, I don't see why Daimler/Chrysler doesn't use its in- house Detroit Diesel for some of its engines.

cowboydoc · Nov 16, 2004

It won't compare. It is too heavy and too bulky to get into the engine compartment. Just look at what they have to do today to get the smaller v-8 into the pickup. It goes in but it's a nightmare to work on. Also the truck has to stay under 8000 lbs. weight wise. If they go over 8k then you run into all kinds of cdl and registration requirements that people don't have to deal with on a pickup. We pay a $1000 a year or more on some of our trucks and only $54 a year for a pickup. The crewcab 4wd are 7k plus now. With more engine weight it would likely put them over that 8k thresh hold. And not to even mention the fact of the suspension. All of the diesels have a heck of a time keeping the front end suspensions heavy enough as it is without riding like a tank.

johnday · Nov 16, 2004

You guys are probably all right about the 466 & 530, but imagine the possibilities. Ford could redesign the Super Duty, they have done it before. And with the added weight, they could make a suspension that wouldn't ride like a tank. For that matter my 250, 4times4, supercab, with 8' box rides better than most cars I've been in, and can still carry more than a bag groceries. None of this will probably ever happen, at least from the factory, but it sure is something to dream about! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Joe1 · Nov 17, 2004

I believe Detroit Diesel is a GM Company.

Chrysler is using a Mercedes diesel in their dodge Vans right now. The Dodge Sprinter Chassis uses a 2.7 litre Inline 5 rated at 154 hp at 3,800 rpm and 243 lbs of torque at 1,600 rpm. It pushes a 7,320 lb 22 camper conversion 0-60 in 18.3 sec and gets 18.3 mpg. It's on an 8,550 lb GVWR chassis. Not too bad for a vehicle 10'8" high. This is backed up by a 5 speed auto trans.

I believe this engine is also going into the Jeep Liberty. That's more torque than my 99 Cherokee FI 4.0 six.

It should be reliable and would work well in any light duty 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup if heavy towing is not a concern.

ronjhall · Nov 17, 2004

I believe Detroit Diesel is a GM Company 
It was, but not any more.
Detroit Diesel

Bird · Nov 17, 2004

Well, I learned something new, too. I knew that GM got rid of Allison, but didn't know that they shed Detroit Diesel. I guess I'm not but 4 years behind. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Joe1 · Nov 17, 2004

I'm really behind the times. I stand corrected. I also didn't know that GM got rid of Allison.

Thanks for the info. If Bird didn't know either, I'm in excellent company.

Joe1 · Nov 17, 2004

Bird:

If you look at the Allison Websight, it says copyright 2004, Allison Transmission, General Motors Corporation.

Since Allison's 1000 series is only showing up in GM and not FORD or DODGE light trucks, I assume it's still part of GM. The problem with DODGE/CUMMINS combinations was the weak DODGE transmission. If GM no longer owned Allison, I'd expect to see the Allison in FORD and DODGE.

But Hey, I was wrong before!!!

cowboydoc · Nov 17, 2004

I'd expect to see the Allison in FORD and DODGE.


Before Ford developed the torqshift I would have said you would have been right. In all the literature I've read the Torqshift from Ford is a stronger transmission than the Allison.

Bird · Nov 18, 2004

Joe, I guess either my information, or my memory, is even worse than I thought. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I can't remember where I read it, but quite some time back I was sure I had read that GM sold the Allison Transmission division to one of the European companies. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Gettin' old, I guess.

Dargo · Nov 18, 2004

I had several Ford dealers telling me last year that they thought they were going to get Cat diesels in their trucks. Two of the dealers told me that they had seen a prototype of the "Tonka" version that actually had a Cat diesel in them. I wonder what went wrong with that deal? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

cowboydoc · Nov 18, 2004

They do have CAT diesels in their trucks. You can get cummins, powerstroke or CAT in the 650 and above trucks. If your dealers were talking about the 250-550 Ford has a contract with International/Navistar to supply those engines through 2010.