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2007 5103 vs 2008 5103
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hp is down on the 2008 models HOWEVER, the 2008 models have a better transmission and come standard with a single rear remote. Not real discounts on the dealer side for the 07 models because there really aren't any left!! The 2008 is the way to go in my opinion...
vancleaveterry
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Could you tell us a bit more about the new transmission AND about the new four wheel drive transmission?
What exactly makes the 5203 more powerful than the 5103 (since they seem to use the same basic 3 cylinder) ... and would it be worth the extra money to get it? Are either turbocharged?
Right now I am leaning towards a 5203 with four wheel drive. What should I actually expect to have to pay for one?
Forgive my ignornance, but what exactly is a "single rear remote"?
Terry
Mississippi Coast
What exactly makes the 5203 more powerful than the 5103 (since they seem to use the same basic 3 cylinder) ... and would it be worth the extra money to get it? Are either turbocharged?
Right now I am leaning towards a 5203 with four wheel drive. What should I actually expect to have to pay for one?
Forgive my ignornance, but what exactly is a "single rear remote"?
Terry
Mississippi Coast
Bob_Young
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Terry,
Visit www.deere.com and click on Agriculture and then tractors. Look for the 5003 series among the Utility Tractors and click on that.
The sidebar should let you select 5103, 5203, etc. Then go to Specifications for detailed information or "Build Your Own" to get an idea of cost with options. JD is very good about providing pricing tools.
The single rear remote is a hydraulic Selective Control Valve with dual outlets in the back of the tractor and a control lever next to the seat. The valve will let you control a single double-acting hydraulic cylinder from the operator's location. Depending on the position of the valve, one outlet will act as a fluid source to the cylinder while the other outlet provides a fluid return.
The '08s are all turbocharged, even the lowest powered 5103. The higher powered versions are set up for greater turbocharger boost and fuel flow....I think.
The new transmission, as I understand, allows a shift between a forward gear and a reverse gear while the tractor is on the move. This is to help with loader work.
Just repeating what I've learned from the site. Hope it helps.
Bob
Visit www.deere.com and click on Agriculture and then tractors. Look for the 5003 series among the Utility Tractors and click on that.
The sidebar should let you select 5103, 5203, etc. Then go to Specifications for detailed information or "Build Your Own" to get an idea of cost with options. JD is very good about providing pricing tools.
The single rear remote is a hydraulic Selective Control Valve with dual outlets in the back of the tractor and a control lever next to the seat. The valve will let you control a single double-acting hydraulic cylinder from the operator's location. Depending on the position of the valve, one outlet will act as a fluid source to the cylinder while the other outlet provides a fluid return.
The '08s are all turbocharged, even the lowest powered 5103. The higher powered versions are set up for greater turbocharger boost and fuel flow....I think.
The new transmission, as I understand, allows a shift between a forward gear and a reverse gear while the tractor is on the move. This is to help with loader work.
Just repeating what I've learned from the site. Hope it helps.
Bob
vancleaveterry said:What exactly makes the 5203 more powerful than the 5103 (since they seem to use the same basic 3 cylinder) ... and would it be worth the extra money to get it? Are either turbocharged?
Right now I am leaning towards a 5203 with four wheel drive. What should I actually expect to have to pay for one?
Forgive my ignornance, but what exactly is a "single rear remote"?
Terry
Mississippi Coast
vancleaveterry, I dont know how they made the 10 extra hp between each model. All models in the 03 series is turbocharges 2.9L 3 cycl. The 5103 got hitthe hardest in the hp cuts. The 5203 only lost a horse on the PTO and the 5303 is the same. A 4x4 5203 will run $20,000-$21,000. I dont know what your plans for the machine are. I would suggest the 5203 and better yet the 5303. About $900 separate the 5203 and the 5303. I would think that if your goingto use something thats going to use more hp at the PTO you'd probally be looking at a different series than the 03. Sure the 5403 gets you 64 at the pto butttttttttt. I just think the smart money is on the 5303.
Single remote is just that a single remote. A remote is aka scv. It is a set of hydralic connections to run equiment out back. Some older tractors had the scv that ran the loader in the back and equiment shared them or you had extra ones installed which in some cases ment you had to have a switch box to switch to wich scv{remotes} you wanted to use. The good thing about the 03 series is they put mid scvs on the tractor to run the loader but that left nothing on the back to run a hay mower etc without haveing scvs installed out back or unhooking the loader and running your hoses up to middle of the tractor. I dont know why but at some dealers last year where selling the 03's with scv standard while some still charged. I dont know what that is about.
vancleaveterry
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Thanks Bob and Exiled
I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.
As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.
I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?
I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?
Thanks again.
Terry
I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.
As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.
I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?
I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?
Thanks again.
Terry
vancleaveterry said:Thanks Bob and Exiled
I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.
As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.
I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?
I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?
Thanks again.
Terry
I dont know about the 10% lower price. I've been pricingthe 03 series for 3 years now, and I have'nt gotten that low of a price. But still right now last week I went to 6 tri-greens and they all where right on msrp pricing.
Yes going with an ag tractor and farming it will help you on your loan. I know untell end of April JDC has 4.9% interrest for 72 months. Your salesman might now of another program to help you out.
5203 will work the 6' bushhog, but i would go ahead with the 5303. You can do alot w/ 30 acres and in the futur if you want to do them you would'nt have to worry about a bigger tractor unless you started row cropping and then I dont think you'll make enough off 30 acres to beable to eat.
Yes put out the $900 and get the mid scvs. Then in the futur you just buy the loader. I understand if you dont go ahead and get the mids it is quite costly to do it later.
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Terry,
Bush hogging with 60" won't take any more than the 5103, in fact you could get by with as little as 30HP. On my farm, which has many set-out evergreens, I much prefer the 60" hog behind my L4300 when mowing around the trees. The L4300 (with loader off)/BB60 combination is very compact, maneuverable and pleasant to use; much more so than my larger Ford 4000 with heavy 72" hog. With a tree farm and a vineyard, I think you'd value maneuverability over size, muscle and weight.
I'm planning to hog the nasty stuff with a Woods BB720 (72") that is quite heavy. The JD dealer indicated that the 2WD 5103, properly ballasted should be fine, though I may still upgrade to a 5203.
FWD and a loader kind of go together, in my estimation. The loader needs the FWD for good traction (and braking) with a full bucket and the FWD needs the loader to fully justify the extra expense of FWD. Without the loader, a well ballasted 2WD should easily do 95% of what you're planning if your ground has good drainage. The remaining 5% is still doable with care.
But I'm not diminishing the value of FWD and a Loader by any means. If you can afford to go that way, definitely do it. Loaders are extremely versatile. Keep in mind, however, that you will likely want to be able to easily remove the loader for work around the trees and the grapes.
FWIW
Bob
Bush hogging with 60" won't take any more than the 5103, in fact you could get by with as little as 30HP. On my farm, which has many set-out evergreens, I much prefer the 60" hog behind my L4300 when mowing around the trees. The L4300 (with loader off)/BB60 combination is very compact, maneuverable and pleasant to use; much more so than my larger Ford 4000 with heavy 72" hog. With a tree farm and a vineyard, I think you'd value maneuverability over size, muscle and weight.
I'm planning to hog the nasty stuff with a Woods BB720 (72") that is quite heavy. The JD dealer indicated that the 2WD 5103, properly ballasted should be fine, though I may still upgrade to a 5203.
FWD and a loader kind of go together, in my estimation. The loader needs the FWD for good traction (and braking) with a full bucket and the FWD needs the loader to fully justify the extra expense of FWD. Without the loader, a well ballasted 2WD should easily do 95% of what you're planning if your ground has good drainage. The remaining 5% is still doable with care.
But I'm not diminishing the value of FWD and a Loader by any means. If you can afford to go that way, definitely do it. Loaders are extremely versatile. Keep in mind, however, that you will likely want to be able to easily remove the loader for work around the trees and the grapes.
FWIW
Bob
Think you guys covered most things except the transmission...
The new 08 5X03 models have a 9x3 transmission. Three ranges A/B/C, and three forward gears and one reverse gear in each range. What is new is that on the 08 models "2" and "R" are inline synchronized...don't have to be at a complete stop. Better for loader work.
The new 08 5X03 models have a 9x3 transmission. Three ranges A/B/C, and three forward gears and one reverse gear in each range. What is new is that on the 08 models "2" and "R" are inline synchronized...don't have to be at a complete stop. Better for loader work.
greggh
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vancleaveterry said:Thanks Bob and Exiled
I will be bush-hogging with a 60inch, disking to level out old tree skidder ruts, and pulling 30 foot logs. I may need to rent an auger at some point for building a fence.
As for pricing, I had already gone to the JD web site, but was wondering about discounts. A few posters seem to say 10% lower than JD's list is typical.
I am thinking 4wd 5203, but will look into the 5303. Can I add a front end loader a few years from now?
I have 32 acres and will have a small tree farm and a small vinyard. Would I qualify for any programs that reduce the price?
Thanks again.
Terry
I just bought a 5203 MFWD in November. It is a great tractor, basic for sure but good enough for me. I went ahead and put a 522 FEL when I bought. I would think that 6' any implement would be the smallest I would use. 7' or 8' would be better in my opinion. If you happen to have any tractor auctions in you area it might be good to visit to see if any good deals can be had on implements. The 2007's did not have the MFWD option, but they are still a good tractor. These are built in India, but as I stated earlier they are a stout tractor.