Oil & Fuel 2445 Fuel Pump

Yardscaper · Aug 1, 2004

I have a 2445 with the Deutz diesel that has decided that it no longer likes its fuel pump. I am going to try and locate one locally tomorrow morning and hopefully have it up and running before lunch time tomorrow. Has anyone done a fuel pump on their machine? And if so, how hard is it, what needs to be taken into consideration, and will this task require me to be a contortionist like you need to be for everything else in a PT engine compartment?

I will post results tomorrow. Reasons for this diagnosis is that after a filter change, I believe that the air that was introduced was just enough for the old pump to give up the ghost. This pump has 500 hours on it and has no suction at all on the intake port. The hose is clear and flows easily when lowered enough for gravity to work its magic. I had a diesel mechanic show me how to diagnose this when I first got the machine.

Thanks for any info!

Bill

Yardscaper · Aug 5, 2004

The fuel pump transplant was a success! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just to calrify, it is the lift pump that went out on me, not the injector pump. As for the repair, it went very easy and was straight forward. My support for Deutz parts is excellent in Missouri, so I had no need to call PT. First, you have to remove the hoses from the outlet side of the fuel line that runs to the filter, which was easily removed and replaced, but the incoming hose from the tank is a bit more troublesome. PT decided to use one quarter inch hydraulic line for their fuel line from the tank, which is **** near impossible to get off of the pumps inlet side. A LOT of busted knuckles on that one!! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif Once you get it removed, you have to cut the hose back a little bit before you reinstall it or it will be too stretched out and suck up too much air, even with a new clamp. The pump came out by removing 2 bolts and sliding it out and away from the camshaft. It goes back in just as easy as it is removed but you may have to turn the engine over in order to move the camshaft so that the pluger will slide in. It is easier this way and less force is needed to hold the pump in place while you line up the holes. Reinstalling the hose coming from the tank is time consuming and you have to really get some force behind it and wiggle it back and forth to get it to go back on the pump. Then you can reattach the pump to the filter line. The clamps that Deutz installs can be released using a flathead screwdriver and reinstalled using needle nose pliers. Just remember to check the screen inside the pump every time you change the fuel filter.

Some hints for diagnosing this problem are: 1) remove the hose from the filter that comes from the pump, unplug the connector that keeps the engine from firing that is used during hydro filter changes, and then crank the engine to see if you have any fuel flowing. If you do, then you either have a clogged filter, line, or injector problems. Also, you can remove the inlet line from the tank that goes into the pump and place your finger over the pump inlet hole while cranking the engine for a few seconds. When you remove your finger, you should get a suction sound which indicates that the pump is working.

If anyone has any questions, just let me know. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Bill

Rip · Aug 5, 2004

Thanks for the detailed info.... I have the same engine in my 1845 although a different engine bay hopefully may make the task easier if I ever have to do it.

By the way... what sockets and box wrenches have you found to work best on those E-TORX bolt heads? I saw that Sears tool catalog now lists a set of SK E-TORX box wrenches, but I have not found any sockets. What works best for you?

Glad it was not too bad a job for you and that you are up and running again.

tracdoc · Aug 5, 2004

Rip,
You can find the female Torx sockets by SK-Facom at: My Tool Store
They also carry the male Torx sockets and Torx hand wrenches. I don't know how their prices compare with Sears, etc.

Rip · Aug 5, 2004

Tracdoc,

Thanks for the source tip... I checked them out and ordered an E-TORX soceket set and wrenches (about same as Sears) plus a few other items that had been on my wish list for a while.

Good source for all sorts of quality tools. Appreciate the info.

Yardscaper · Aug 5, 2004

I have just used 16 point sockets on the torx bolts. I have tools on order, especially after that task. You just have to be extra careful not to strip off the torx head, although, I must say that most things on the PTs are not that tight to begin with.

Rip · Aug 6, 2004

I know regular sockets and wrenches will "sort of fit" the E-TORX, but I had been looking around for the right tools. Plus, it was the Germans who torqued all those bolts on the Deutz engine... they are probably tight!