3 point lift capacity

[VroomVroom]

There was a program "land and Sea" which is a local program about various things in Newfoundland Canada. This particular Episode was a lady who took over her fathers farm. She was planting turnip seed on her fathers Ford tractor. An older friend of mine was sitting down nearby and said he had a similar tractor, just smaller. A ford 3000. I looked it up on tractor data which I do from time to time to see the different models and I notice often that these larger older tractors 3 point lift capacity seem a little lower then more recent models. His 4000lb , 47 Hp Ford tractor has a lift capacity of 1700 lbs at 24". I believe the little 28HP Mahindra 2816 I have says it has a capacity of 2200lbs. I thought it was rated at 24" Are these rated the same. Tractors made a year or two after mine, which are even more physically smaller had increased lift capacity on the loaders and 3 point by several hundred pounds. The 26 Max mahindras I thought could lift a few hundred more then mine again. Are those 3 points rated the same? He said with his dirt scoop on the back it will lift the front of his tractor up if the dirt or snow is solid. I'm not sure if my 3 point would lift his tractor like that. I do use a set of forks on the back that I take out loads of wood on, but I just set the forks up as high as it lifts and piles the 4 foot logs on the back. I never lifted the wood straight off the ground. Or ever lifted the front of the tractor.

 

[jeff9366]

The unit volume growth in the tractor market has been in compact and subcompact tractors for the last twenty-five years.

Most are sold in the suburbs and exurbs to people who intend to store their tractors in a garage with a standard 84" header, which means a tractor of 3,000 pounds bare weight maximum, with a few exceptions.

Therefore the marketing numbers game of increasing Loader lift spec and increasing TPH lift spec goes on because consumers and dealers discuss specs as part of selling tractors. "New & Improved" or "25 cents off" remain the two most impactful marketing tactics.

These days we see impressive FEL lift capacities and TPH lift capacities on light, narrow chassis tractors whether or not numbers make sense in the yard or in the field.

Kubota has 50% market share of new compact tractor market in USA. Deere has 20% market share of new compact tractor market in USA. Twenty-five other tractor brands compete for the 30% residual market share for new compact tractors in the USA. Kubota entered the USA market with subcompact tractors. With '0" interest rates in Japan for twenty years or so, Kubota introduced '0' interest financing on tractors and implements purchased together. Zero interest financing has been a huge tractor marketing advantage for Kubota.

I speculate Massey-Ferguson brand is third in compact tractor market share in USA. Same in Canada?

Where I live in rural Florida tractor dealers outnumber new car dealers. Within ten miles I have Ford-Chevrolet-Chrysler new car dealers, Kubota, Deere, Mahindra and LS new tractor dealers. Mahindra and LS exist on crumbs. Only Deere sells used tractors. Deere's used tractors are returned lease expires.

 

[VroomVroom]

Seems like half the tractor can lift twice as much these days. I'm not sure its a good thing, or if its true and that the 3 point capacities are rated the same. Just seems crazy such large tractors sometimes from 30 years ago can only lift half as much as a tractor half its size of today. And, if the modern compact tractors can lift as much or more, are they built to handle the extra weight? I suppose the engineers did the testing on it all. But when I look at a Mahindra 26 Max that can lift 2600 lbs on the 3pt, almost a 1000lbs more then the ford 3000. It just seems odd to me.

 

[jeff9366]

I would like to see data relating compact tractor rollovers to FEL lift capacities.

Thirty years ago tractors were mostly 6,000 pounds or more in weight on COMMERCIAL farms and ran 400 hours per year.

Today subcompact and compact tractors run on residential land and (non-profit) hobby farms for 60 to 100 hours per year.

 

[newbury]

more info
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=biosysengdiss

 

[VroomVroom]

Hey Newbury. It may be due to my connection here but I can稚 open the link. Do anyone know if these are rated the same? Modern compact tractors such as mine certainly seem a whole lot more frail, yet according to tractor data they lift more than tractors 1000-1500 lbs more. With 15-20 more horsepower and 25-40 years older.

 

[jeff9366]

NEWBURY: Interesting thesis. I bookmarked the article for repeat reference.

The thesis certainly indicates that some non-loader, compact tractors have sufficient TPH implement lift capacity to impair tractor steering on level ground and potential to lift the front axle off the ground in some scenarios on flat ground. Moving uphill would obviously decrease weight on front axle relative to flat ground.

However, Nebraska tests are for TPH lift capability on non-Loader equipped tractors. Neal Messick, Messick's tractors, says 90% of Messick's compact tractors sold in five Pennsylvania Messick's stores are sold with Loaders. My local Kubota dealer guess-timates his sales of compact tractor are also about 90% with Loaders.** Due to periodic Kubota shortages my local Kubota dealer usually has more Loaders than new tractors in inventory, with the Loaders in racks.

Kubota has claimed all Kubota Loaders and Backhoes are made in Kubota Georgia plants and exported to fill orders for Kubota Loaders and Backhoes all over the world, from Georgia.




**Compact tractors sold without Loaders at my local Kubota dealer are mostly 2-WD, traditional clutch & gear model L2501s used for mowing five to ten acre, flat hay fields with a 60" Rotary Cutter.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I have bought Princess Auto Jacks, the equiv of HF in the STATES. Exchanaged a few at no extra cost to get larger ones because they would not lift even close to specs. Figure if you want to lift five tons with a Chinese low end jack, get a ten ton.

Probably, the same applies to "some" tractors. IF specs sell and there is no (enforceable) law governing exagerating your specs, that is huge incentive to do so.