3500SRW VS 2500SRW GVWR&TRAILER ?

[HK45]

Im In Pa and I'm looking at getting a new truck and trailer. Problem is if I go up to a single rear wheel 3500 vs 2500 I'm at 11,500 gvwr vs 10,000gvwr. Then add in a 25 gooseneck, and most company today rate them at 15-16 GVWR, You are over the combined weight rating of the truck. I see people say you can get the gross weight raised, but then have issues with insurance. So what you do. Just stick with a 2500 at 10,000 and get a 14,000K trailer? This is going to be personal use only.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I think that the bigger truck is going to handle the load better. Just derate the trailer to stay under the 26k. Also, don't forget in PA you need a medical card when you go over 17k and you are going to have to get combination plates. your registration is going to be over 400 a year when you get the combo. Any idiot that chimes in saying you need a cdl because the trailer is over 10k doesn't know the law. Im a registered driver with my CDL in PA and I have combo'd a 1 ton and my International.

 

[HK45]

I new that part already. I already have a class 8 Combination at 25000 and med card from work. Im just wondering about the upping the truck combination to lets say 26000 or even 26001 and I get a cdl. The truck I'm looking at only has a combined GVWR of 24,500. Don't leave much trailer unless you can up the truck combination rating

 

[RedNeckRacin]

The only way you can up-rate it is if a licensed mechanic will sign off on the form provided by Penn dot. I think its MV41? http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/mv_forms/mv-41.pdf If you can get them to sign it and the state ok's it, the sky is the limit. You are far and away better off getting a cdl and not having to worry about the 26k bs like I did.


I'll tell you right now though, I had an 05 SRW 3500 Cummins and putting around 17k behind that truck was more than I was comfortable with. I suggest you try the weights to see how you feel about it before you get involved with a different license and changing your title. Its amazing how soft 10ply tires can feel when you get them weighted down.

 

[HK45]

Even if you have a cdl you would still need to have the truck combined raised up correct? Also I have a 14 ram 2500 which give a gcwr of 25000. My trailer i sold was around 4700 pounds rated at 14,000 and my tractor was around 7000. seems like all the 14000 trailer are so heavy. anyways the chevy 3500 srw is only rated at 24500 combined. So Im limited unless I raise truck combined weight sine they are 11,500 vs the 2500 10,000

 

[Diamondpilot]

Go with the 3500 SRW. I have had 3 for a reason, 2 Ford's and a GM. Both 2500 trucks I have had, Ford and Dodge I regeted.

Chris

 

[RedNeckRacin]

You can only raise the GCWR by what a licensed mechanic will sign off on and what the state will agree to. That is why I posted that form if you want to try and convince someone sign it and send it into the state to have your title changed. That is independent of the CDL. If your factory rating is 25k GCWR, I don't think you will be able to talk anybody into rating it higher than that. The CDL comes in when you actually are driving the combination where you can be over 26k.

The GN's are heavy but you need that to keep the trailer from flexing and bouncing. If your tractor only weighs 7k, why are you trying to get into CDL territory anyways? you have more than enough room to avoid all the title bs and the license changes.

 

[Diamondpilot]

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[LD1]

The CDL comes in when you actually are driving the combination where you can be over 26k.

IF you have a GN rated for 15k, the SRW 3500 @ 11.5k GVWR puts the combo over 26k. Same trailer with a 2500 would not need the CDL.

The truck rating and the law are two different things.

The truck GCWR is what not to exceed in ACTUAL combined weight.
The law for CDL needing to be under 26k isnt actual weight. It is what the combo is rated for.

If the truck GCWR is 24.5k, and the truck weighs 7k, tractor at 7k, and trailer @ 5k, you are only at 19k and thats fine for the truck. But what the trailer is "rated" for matters to the DOT. So the GCWR can be over 26k if you have a cdl, just dont load it beyond the 24.5k truck capacity. But still need the CDL regardless

 

[RedNeckRacin]

IF you have a GN rated for 15k, the SRW 3500 @ 11.5k GVWR puts the combo over 26k. Same trailer with a 2500 would not need the CDL.

The truck rating and the law are two different things.

The truck GCWR is what not to exceed in ACTUAL combined weight.
The law for CDL needing to be under 26k isnt actual weight. It is what the combo is rated for.

If the truck GCWR is 24.5k, and the truck weighs 7k, tractor at 7k, and trailer @ 5k, you are only at 19k and thats fine for the truck. But what the trailer is "rated" for matters to the DOT. So the GCWR can be over 26k if you have a cdl, just dont load it beyond the 24.5k truck capacity. But still need the CDL regardless

The GCWR in in PA is part of the title and you have to have it granted by the state after a licensed mechanic has signed off on it. It is not an assumed number anymore. I just found this out last week as my buddy just combo'd his pickup. That is PA law. you can De-Rate a trailer in PA very easily and have a higher capacity truck with the same trailer and not be pushing your weight ratings as much and why i suggested getting the 3500 and not worrying about the 11,500 GVW and just derating the trailer to get under the 26k. I agree that the law and the ratings are two different things but you can exceed neither of them in the DOT's eyes. I agree that the law for cdl is what the combo is tagged for, not what it actually weighs.


I have been down this road before with two different trucks so I know exactly what I'm talking about. I had a 2005 SRW 3500 that I combo'd and pulled a GN that pushed the limits of the truck while trying to stay under the dreaded 26k number. I also upgraded to a bigger truck, got my cdl and have no second thoughts about putting whatever the trailer can handle on it. Having a nearly 40,000lb GCWR opens up a lot of possibilities.