4400 problems

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tractorhal

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N.Y.
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JD 4400 w/R-1 & R-3
4400S245046 S# 260 hrs.
1. Inst. panel fogs
2.front tires hit mid mower deck(bad)
3. brakes grab (lock up) other than panic stop rt. tire most
4. backhoe leaks down on and off tractor,to where you can't hook up to it with out connecting hyd. lines,if you can
5. if you want 4th.& 5th. remotes you loose the 3rd. spool
6.front tires dig up lawn, DTACsays if front axel is changed makes tire, mower deck more of a problem
7.if lifting heavy load with bucket,joystick is had to move to operate slow and smooth
8. JD list items on web site that are no longer available
9. any solutions or help
 
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My JD 4400 problems.
2nd day of operation leaking hydraulic oil from under the seat,dealer came down found loose fitting under seat.2 weeks time 513 rotary cutter falling apart.

1st trip to shop for repairs less than a year old.
1.Would not start 1/2 the time.They installed a new solenoid and starter.
2.Differental lock failure.
3.Hydro tranny had to be replaced.
4. Lost nut on steering brake.
Tractor in shop for 3 weeks during spring planting season.
Tractor returned to my home,next day I tried to start it would not start,took about 15 minutes to get started this is a reoccuring problem that they finally got fixed about a year later.Also looking under tractor noticed leaking hydraulic oil where tractor was put back together from repairs.(small leak)
I decide I can live with leak until fall of year because I do not want to give tractor up for another 3 weeks during growing season.
I also decide I need to replace R-4 tires with R-1 tires because R-4 tires failed miserably during my 1st winter of using the tractor. I installed tires and rims myself,so I have a set of R-4 tires and rims in the barn,that I have no need for and John Deere has no need for,you think John Deere would have given me a break on the price since I asked for R-1 tires when I bought the tractor new and my dealer said they had no R-1 tires to put on the tractor and it would be a month before they could have any? No price break....After I bought the R-1 tires and told the salesman about the poor performance of the R-4 tires he said"We are still learning".

The fall of 2001 comes around and I decide I better get the hydraulic leak from the 1st warranty repair imperfection fixed,while the tractor is still under warranty.I take the tractor back to the shop and they repair(I have never had a loose wheel bolt problem yet)and also I want them to address the hard starting issue.
The tractor is brought home...leak repaired,still will not start 1/2 the time.I use the tractor a few months and I start having loose wheel bolt problems,I have to keep a socket in my toolbox to tighten the lug nuts when using the tractor.
Dealer comes to my house to install an inline electrical piece in the fuse box which finally solves the starting problem after a 1 1/2 years.I tell the field technician that I am having trouble keeping the wheel lug nuts tightened,he says we need to get this tractor in the shop.I say fine.While the tractor is in the shop I tell the dealer I would like to have a 4 in 1 loader installed,with all of the SCVs installed, ok...right at $6000.While the tractor is in the shop the dealer calls me and says the wheels centers and axles need replace and John Deere will not cover this because I field installed the wheels myself...Well I get to thinking I never had this problem before the fall of 2001 when the dealer had the tractor in the shop to fix the hydraulic leak,my point being the dealer was the last ones to have taken the wheels off and reinstalled them,I said tell the JD field rep the loose wheel bolts were not a problem until after a John Deere dealer worked on the tractor and I am not going to pay for the wheel centers/axles and labor.So they let me off the hook on this one and I have the old wheel centers and axles in my barn and I will be darned if I can see anything wrong with them compared to the new ones that were installed.Here is the kicker......After my tractor was returned I had another hydraulic leak in the same area of the original one from the hydro repair that the dealer repaired in the fall of 2001 and after about 2 HOURS of operation(day the tractor was returned to me) the freaking wheel bolts start loosening up again,I call the dealer.....they do not know what to do.... I am needing this tractor to use...I stop by the Kubota dealership to see how Kubota puts the wheels on they have a stud installed from the backside and a nut and lockwasher on the outside,I stop at my John Deere dealer and tell them what Kubota has done to there wheels,they say wow that is a good idea,I say do you have any bolts/nuts and washers that are threaded the same as the lug nuts but longer so I can fix it myself? They say no,but they(the dealer) make a few phone calls to the local auto parts stores and they cannot help me... So I drive all over 2 cities trying to find a bolt that will fit..I finally found 2 at an Auto Zone and I purchase a bottle of thread lock(blue color) and go home and make the fix....at least with 2 bolts I know the wheel will not fall of completely,periodically I have to back the bolts out with my craftsmen and put thread lock on (blue color)and re-install them and the last a little longer this way.Well in the mean time my 2 year warranty expires my differental lock fails again and I still have the small hydraulic leak and the wheel bolts stay tighter longer than they use too but still come loose. Early on in the game(1st year) my JD rep called me and told me it was "an embarasment to John Deere"for me to have had all these problems. Later on during the warranty period John Deere assigned a new field rep to my area(Marietta Ohio)and he NEVER has called me and I sent a letter to head office and no reply....So thats the way it goes the working man gets the shaft.......I have always been courteous and polite with my dealer....they give me credit and I am always paid up...Early on John Deere sent me a voucher/coupon to trade my JD 4400 in,a common voucher sent out to JD 4000 series owners when they were getting ready to introduce the new 4010 series...I talked to my dealer about trading and the voucher/coupon would not even come close to the difference they wanted on trade in....the salesman said he did not want anymore of the 4000 series setting around on the lot.....so anyway the JD 4400 still leaks a little hydro oil and I still keep my craftsmen socket in the tool box and I keep a close eye on the wheel bolts....Thanks for listening.
 
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I really do not know about a lemon law,not worth pursuing...once I get the wheel bolt problem taken care of it will be satisfactory,I can live without the differental lock,I could not sell it straight out to the public without telling an individual about it,I am not into ripping people off,so I will trade it in when I am ready,and yes I will inform the dealer of the differental lock problem whenever and wherever I trade it.
 
   / 4400 problems #5  
<font color=blue>"4. backhoe leaks down on and off tractor,to where you can't hook up to it with out connecting hyd. lines,if you can"</font color=blue>

My Deere model 47 backhoe on my 4200 tends to leak down after a period of time. I think virtually anything hydraulic will. At least that's my experience. I always thought that's why you should release the pressure on the hydraulics (let everything down) before shutting your tractor off. I always lower my loader bucket, backhoe and supports when I put mine to bed at night.

I have some fairly rough terrain I bounce around and usually leave the backhoe on so it can take quite a bit of jostling in the average day. My backhoe came with a couple of large pins. One locks the backhoe in the center position eliminating the movement to the sides. The other locks the upper portion of the backhoe in place so the bucket can't fall. Of course, while this is no help with the supports, it should be an improvement for you, anyhow. Good luck. I hope this helps. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Gary,
I agree with you on some hudraulic leakage. On tips and troubleshooting on JD web they give you what they say is acceptable in inches and time for each backhoe function. I don't agree that when you take the backhoe off the tractor that it should bypass in the cylinders to where you cann't get to the backhoe to pick it up with the rockshaft,and both swing and boom pins are installed. The cylinders have to be leaking by,because there is no place the oil can go being diconnected from the tractor. When warm weather comes I will do more testing, any suggestions accepted.
 
   / 4400 problems #7  
Sounds like a lemon. Sorry you're having the problems,I've got a 4400 with about 55hrs. on it and no problems at all. I can't even think of anything bad to say. I've got the baloon Galaxy tires and no tearing up of lawn at all.
 
   / 4400 problems #8  
Most of all the bypass occurs in the control
valves.
That is why even when machine is running
things still drift down.
Of all the farm, construction, truck equipment
I have used and owned ALL leak down eventually.
Rapid leakdown means something is wrong.
 
   / 4400 problems #9  
About the wheel stud problem. I had the problem too with my 5300. The next year they came out with a ring that went over the inner dish and was then bolted. Seems to cure the problem. I too was always checking for loose nuts after I ruined one of the discs. And like you JD wouldn't stand behind it, even though it was obviously an upgrade to fix a design flaw.
These are some of the things that they did fix though.
Replaced the hyd pump in the tranny, before I took possession, replaced the 4X4 gears, as they kicked out in reverse, replaced third gear, as it had welded itself to the pinion, so the pinion and ring also were replaced, the hyd oil strainer was replaced because the holes were in the back instead of the front causing the pump to starve when going downhill.
The first week it froze in park. The parking pawl would not release. Went to the shop several times with this problem on warrantee. The last time it stuck it took out the creep gears when it released, whiplash I guess. That tear down was 6000$. I put up a pretty good arguement as it was a design flaw and figured that I had paid for R&D when I bought the tractor. Came down to JD, the dealer, and I each paid a third of the bill, what crap that was. Well 2yrs later I get a recall to replace the parking pawl cable and shifter. Still have an ongoing case with JD, figure they owe for the past problem now that they have admitted that it was onother design flaw. Even with all this, I am very impressed with the power and agility of this tractor. Only thing I would change is put a 2sp pto in and PUT A SEAT BETWEEN THE FENDERS THAT WON'T FALL APART, BOTH CARRIAGE AND COVERS, IN 3 yrs.
 
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Just had to let you folks know that JD came clean and they are sending me a check for the work on the faulty parking pawl problem. I guess I will go to JD the next time I need one.
 

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