50 hr service

F350Lawman · Aug 5, 2003

I am closing in on the 40 hour mark so I am looking to go pick up the filters/fluids for my 790.

Guess I am going to go with the JD 0-40 synthetic oil and the JD filter. I like Mobil 1 filters but I had no luck finding the right one in stock. I also looked at getting the hydraulic fluid filter while I was picking something else up, but the truck parts store was out of stock. At $23 the Hastings hydraulic filter doesn't seem like much of a bargain, I guess I should go get the JD hydraulic filter anyway.

This is what I need can anyone give me an idea of prices as the local JD guy is kinda high. Just wanted to know if I'm getting scalped. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

engine oil filter
transmission/hydraulic filter
low-vis Hy-Gard 5 gallons (need 4)
JD synthetic motor oil 0- 40 5 quarts (need 4.3)

Thanks

JJC · Aug 5, 2003

Stick with the JD filters. And do yourself a favor and use synthetic oil after the 100 hour service. And if you plan on changing the suction screen then make sure you get a new gasket or o-ring for the screen flange. JD filters arent all that expensive, they are cheap considering the job they do.

F350Lawman · Aug 5, 2003

I have read that the JD filter was a Fleetguard and I understand they are very good filters. I will stick with the JD filter for the hydaulics but I would get the Mobil 1 for oil if I could. Every rating I have ever seen has Mobil 1 at the top. At $11.99 a filter they better be good.

I was going to go with as good or better I'm not looking to get the $2 Fram filter but I understand your point. When in doubt go with the JD filter you can't go wrong.

thanks for the 0-ring tip.

P.S. are you suggesting I wait for 100 hours to go synthetic?? I won't be sheduled to change oils until 250 hours after this 50 hour service.

Gary_in_Indiana · Aug 6, 2003

I've read a lot of posts which mention a 100 hour service. My owner's manual for my 4200 specifies 50 hours, 200 hours, 400 hours and a couple things at 500 hours. Different machines with different schedules, perhaps?

Docsknotinn · Aug 6, 2003

F-350, I have seen several debates about the synthetics and weather or not to start useing them after the 50 hour break in or changeinging the oil/filter again at 100 hours. The thought process seems to be broken in Vs well broken in. I will go with the synthetic at the 50 hour mark. Mobil 1 is oem fill on many high performance vehicles. The standard Jd oil is actually a synthetic blend anyhow. Some say there is not enough friction with the synthetic to seat the rings. I think that is more speculation than fact but when you are working on your own machine your opinion is the only one that counts. It surely wont hurt to change the oil at the 50 hour mark if you feel that is a better set up. How many hours per year do you anticipate ?

Whiskey · Aug 6, 2003

Scott:

When I bought my 790 the dealer told me when my 50 hour service came along he recomended refilling with the JD break-in oil and new filter for another 50 hours, This cought me off gard I still have plenty of time to ponder this being I'm only at 16 hours.

Now that I've said this it dosn't mean I will do it and I don't want a bunch of Oil Gods jumping on Scott's thread with there "why my oil is better then your oil " but I will be happy to read any ideas or thought on why he may of said this or any info you may know about rings seating and a motor becomming "broke in"

PS
Scott:
I've been sitting on this info sinse I bought the tractor and this looked like a good place to plop it out there I hope it dosn't interfear with the info you were trying to get from your thread.

Whiskey

F350Lawman · Aug 6, 2003

Well this is something that I have also been tossing around. I was thinking maybe I'll split the difference. Instead of going with break-in and having to do another change at 100, why not follow the book? I can change the oil at 50 hrs to JD dino and then NEXT change (250hours) go with JD synthetics?

The internet is great but I am wanting for the old days, when we just went out bought what was on sale and drove our vehicles.

Ignorance=bliss /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have information overload /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Don't worry Whiskey, I was already confused, now it's just public knowledge /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

neilw · Aug 8, 2003

F350

Here are the prices from my local JD dealer.

oil filter M806419 $6.59
hydro filter RE27284 $18.15
JD 0w-40 $4.98/quart ordered in case lots only since my dealer does not stock this oil.
JD Low-Vis HyGard $33.00/pail or $2.23/quart

cowboydoc · Aug 8, 2003

Use Rotella and buy it in the cases for about $1.25/quart. Use Low Vis Hygard that is for JD from Farm & Fleet for $24/5 gallon pail. Same or better stuff and alot cheaper. Heck even the parts guys at JD say their oil is overpriced just to use Rotella or equivalent.

F350Lawman · Aug 8, 2003

I paid the following at JD

oil filter 5.99
hydr. filter 17.00
Plus 50 oil 7.50 gallon
Low Vis 35.00 5 gallons

I read there oil ratings and it SEEMED to be rated higher than Rotella and slightly higher than Delo.

I am sure Rorella is fine but my PSD never runs as quiet on Rotella as Delo. I dunno if it's more-anti-foam in Delo or if the high pressure injectors like being driven by the Delo but it surely runs different.

cowboydoc · Aug 8, 2003

Delo would work just fine too. Pretty funny as I always got the opposite effect when running Delo, LOL. Back about 15 years ago that's what we ran was Delo. When the new powerstrokes came out in 94 they ran terrible on Delo, that's when we switched to Rotella.

JC4HD · Aug 8, 2003

I just had my second oil change done at the 100 hour mark. This was the recommendation of my Dealer. First one at 50 hours reinstalling fresh "Break in Oil" then at the 97 hour mark with "Regular" JD Oil. The dealer recommended running the Break in Oil for 100 total. This is a dealer that's got a great reputation and has been in business a long time (K.C. Canary in Fultonville NY). I did and will continue to follow their recommendations... too much $$ invested to try second guessing them or taking a chance with brand "X" filters or parts... if one of them fail (yes filters can fail) who will stand behind them? The filter company would replace your engine in such a thing happened??? I'll stick with the Genuine JD stuff! Just my opinion!

Bird · Aug 8, 2003

( more-anti-foam in Delo )

Used to be a fellow from Washington State who came to all the National Association of Fleet Administrators conventions and had a booth demonstrating and selling his "snake oil" (as he called it himself); claimed it was not an additive, but a lubricant (although the recommendation was to replace a quart of oil with a quart of his stuff when you changed oil). His demonstration consisted of pouring motor oil into a pie pan, then beating it with a manual egg beater to make it foam. Then he'd add a little of his "snake oil" and try beating it again. Instead of foaming, it would just climb up the egg beater. And he told me he always used Pennzoil for his demonstrations because it would foam more than anything else on the market. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Whether that was true or not, I have no idea.

Docsknotinn · Aug 8, 2003

The plus 50 is a synthetic blend. The reg Rotella is a sure enough bargain. I recently started useing the Rotella synthetic as its currently $12.95 a gallon at wally world. I will probably stick with the plus 50 on the little green machine but then it only needs a whopping 2 qts. lol

cowboydoc · Aug 8, 2003

I agree if I only had to do 2 qts. of oil I'd buy that stuff too probably. Makes a big difference when you're going through a 55 gallon drum every four or five months though.

F350Lawman · Aug 8, 2003

I still end up using Rotella and Jiffy lube once or twice a year when my too big for the garage truck needs a change and it is 10* with 2 feet of snow on the ground /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I draw the line at 20* and 1 foot of snow for "lying on your back in the cold" oil changes /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I love my truck but I've gotta draw the line somewhere!

I have straightened the garage so now I can move the tractor outside and get at least get 3/4 of the truck in so I should have solved the problem. Can't close the door but it cuts the wind and rain/snow.

Docsknotinn · Aug 9, 2003

If I used as much oil as you guys I would only use the Shell Rotella. That stuff has got to be in the best buy catagory. You can get a 5 gallon pail for a little over $30 here. I was useing The Valvoline blue max in my GMC at $10 a gallon, non-synthetic. I had no idea there was a synthetic diesel untill I read one of theese strands. Most are too expensive for me personally to justify the cost at a 10 qts a month. I was blown away when I first saw the price of Rotella. One thing I do like about Mobil 1 products is that I do feel they are an "honest" co. On the main page of their web site they plainly say there will be little or no gain from the use of synthetics if you religiously change your oil at the proper interval. I am sure we all want to get a fair price but actually performing routine maintenace as scheduled seems far more important than a brand label within reasonable peramiters.

cowboydoc · Aug 9, 2003

am sure we all want to get a fair price but actually performing routine maintenace as scheduled seems far more important than a brand label within reasonable peramiters.

That right there is the definitive answer on oils! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif