Thanks for the reply. I have priced the bush hog, koyker, buhler allied and I believe the woods model. They all come in installed at about 3900 dollars. The cheapest is the koyker and it seems to have larger cylinders and better features but is cheaper. I am still waiting on the local Cub dealer who I bought the tractor from in 1997 to let me know about Cub. Meanwhile I sent them a message as you suggested. Have you had good service on the bush hog brand? Thanks Rider