75hp tractors - new holland, deere, deutz

[dirkdaddy]

Looking for a 75hp tractor with creeper gear range for transplanting vegetables. Getting quotes from Case/New Holland, Deere, Kubota, and Deutz Fahr.

So far the Kubota quotes are coming in the mid 40s for loader/cab/4x4/creeper option, while deere is in the mid 60s for the 5075m. New Holland quotes are around 50 right now. Waiting to talk to a deutz dealer tomorrow My wallet says Kubota, but comparing all of specs, weights, etc, the kubota is light as hail. Lighter than my current 5055e. The price difference between the NH and the Deere are huge, and even huger between Kubota and Deere. Any chance my Deere dealer can come down at all, or is it really worth the Deere premium? I was even quoted on a t4.100 within $1,000 of the deere quote for the 5075m.

The Deutz is a total shot in the dark. Found out I have a dealer within an hour of me, so I figured based on their reputation and available features I should get a quote from them, too. Lack of good financing and parts availability will probably kill that option.

 

[rustyshakelford]

Check out the 5085e Deere. Lower price point than the M for a very capable tractor

Brett

 

[bilrus61]

Shouldn't you want a light tractor on a veggie farm to avoid soil compaction? I have a M7040 and by the time I put on the larger cast wheels and fluid in the tires, add on the loader and bucket, that thing weighs tons. Then I have a 3pt 8 foot mower on it that weighs 1800 pounds. The tires put ruts in my farm after a rain. I sure keep it out of my gardens and its only for bushogging when its dry and hauling gravel to the roads when its dryer! Remember also that creeper gears are pretty fragile. I've even read they can't be used to load a tractor up a trailer. Basically just used for hooking up implements and beating chicken manure with whatever it is they use for that.

 

[TheMadOne]

Looking for a 75hp tractor with creeper gear range for transplanting vegetables. Getting quotes from Case/New Holland, Deere, Kubota, and Deutz Fahr.

So far the Kubota quotes are coming in the mid 40s for loader/cab/4x4/creeper option, while deere is in the mid 60s for the 5075m. New Holland quotes are around 50 right now. Waiting to talk to a deutz dealer tomorrow My wallet says Kubota, but comparing all of specs, weights, etc, the kubota is light as hail. Lighter than my current 5055e. The price difference between the NH and the Deere are huge, and even huger between Kubota and Deere. Any chance my Deere dealer can come down at all, or is it really worth the Deere premium? I was even quoted on a t4.100 within $1,000 of the deere quote for the 5075m.

The Deutz is a total shot in the dark. Found out I have a dealer within an hour of me, so I figured based on their reputation and available features I should get a quote from them, too. Lack of good financing and parts availability will probably kill that option.

I think you might have answered your own question. If you can swing the Deere, not sure why you wouldn't go for the t4.100 unless there's a weight issue. Just my two cents.

 

[oosik]

Man, I don't know how much you need a new tractor to weigh. By the time I get a grapple, loaded rear tires, open station and rear blade on my M6040 it weighs right at 10,100 pounds. I know that this tractor @ 1500 rpm in low range, first gear - you have to set stakes to make sure its moving forward.

My OP manual places severe limits on the use of creeper gearing -

"Creep speed should be used only when doing one of the following jobs",
- deep rotary-tilling and harrowing
- planting
- turf application

"Creep speed can not be used for any of the following",
- pulling a trailer
- front-loader operation
- front-blade operation
- earth-moving
- entering and leaving a field
- loading onto and unloading from a truck

I was seriously considering having the "creep gear module" added to my tractor until I read these recommended limits. I would strongly suggest looking into the limits placed on creeper gearing for any tractor you anticipate purchasing. However, I also assume these conditions do not apply if the tractor is shifted out of creeper gearing ???.

 

[dirkdaddy]

Watch this video for why I need to go slow: Water wheel transplanter in action - YouTube

I won't be using the creeper gears for anything other than crawling at a snails pace while pulling the waterwheel transplanter. Hardly any load on the tractor at all. I am pretty sure that is what creeper gears were designed for: vegetable growers wanting to move slowly in the field for planting and harvesting with tractor aid. Both are basically zero load applications that require insanely low speeds to keep up with slow humans on the ground (or on the back of machines).

The tractor is going to do as much loader work, heavy discing, subsoiling, primary plowing, putting in cover crops 3 to 5 acres at a time, as it is planting. Possibly would like to use a large grain drill in the future. This all calls for a big, beefy, stable, and heavy machine. I am not abusive to my machinery, but my stuff is called on to do the most classic and basic of farm chores (plowing dirt) out there, day in and day out. A light built kubota may not hold up as well as heavy built massey, NH, deutz, or deere. They are built that way for a reason. Now if I just mowing hay and such, the kubota would make more sense.

I don't use my tractor when it's wet, so compaction isn't really an issue.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

My OP manual places severe limits on the use of creeper gearing -

"Creep speed should be used only when doing one of the following jobs",
- deep rotary-tilling and harrowing
- planting
- turf application

"Creep speed can not be used for any of the following",
- pulling a trailer
- front-loader operation
- front-blade operation
- earth-moving
- entering and leaving a field
- loading onto and unloading from a truck

I was seriously considering having the "creep gear module" added to my tractor until I read these recommended limits. I would strongly suggest looking into the limits placed on creeper gearing for any tractor you anticipate purchasing. However, I also assume these conditions do not apply if the tractor is shifted out of creeper gearing ???.

IF Kubota puts those limits on their creep trans, then I would be looking at a different tractor with a tougher trans...

I have three tractors with creep, although creep isn't to be used for heavy pulling, my manuals do not list all the things Kubota's does...

There's an advantage to having the weight IN the tractor, instead of in the wheel centers and fluid in the tires... Heavier tractors take heavier farm use, lasting longer...

I have Kubota's too, they are a medium duty tractor which is fine if that's what you need.

BTW, my farm tractors with creep have NOT had any issues with the trannys or creep and I have used creep to pull some heavy loads for short distance.

I don't believe all brands of "creep" are as fragile as Kubota's is.

SR

 

[dirkdaddy]

Finally got in touch with a good Massey dealer in my area. They are firmly in play now. The 4700 series checks all the boxes needed and is a lot less than the deere. Much heavier than the Kubota and nearly unlimited wheel spacing varieties make it very attractive. Price is in very close to the Kubota for the 4707 and 4708. Looks like I got some pondering to do.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Finally got in touch with a good Massey dealer in my area. They are firmly in play now. The 4700 series checks all the boxes needed and is a lot less than the deere. Much heavier than the Kubota and nearly unlimited wheel spacing varieties make it very attractive. Price is in very close to the Kubota for the 4707 and 4708. Looks like I got some pondering to do.

Well...what did you decide?

 

[woolyAcres]

@dirkdaddy- If you're still auditioning brands, you may way to consider Kioti. I believe the RX7320 comes in a creeper model. I think price-wise it would be very competitive. Not certain on weights but mine, cab, loader (with bucket), and loaded rear tires (no implement) is right at 10K lbs. Not sure what weight you're looking for but I believe it's comparable to the NH T4.75, at least bare tractor weight. Just a though.