850 Doesnt Start

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John's right about the interlock safety switches possibly interposing high resistance in the solenoid trigger circuit. Also, the start contacts in the ignition may also have high resistance. Starting at the ign. sw put a volmeter across the bat and start terminals, turn to start and measure voltage drop across these two terminals. It should no more then .3 of a volt under full circuit draw. If ok on ign sw go to next switch in this series circuit. The next sw may be either the clicking relay, neutral safety or the PTO safety sw.
All of these sw's are typicaly in series between the ignition sw and the starter solenoid. Just check then out one at the time. None of them should have more then .3 of a volt drop across their in and out terminals. Overall, you should not have more then .7 of a volt drop from the bat pos. post to the trigger terminal of the solenoid. A drop of .3 volt across a switch is not a good number, it is the max number allowed before canning the sw.

If you have no meter, simply put a 10/12 gauge jumper wire across the above relay and safety sw's and try starter each time. Just make sure tranny is in neutral and PTO out.
Note, the clicking relay may have a series instead of shunt coil in it. This means that the safety switches will be used to provide a ground path for this coil while the ign sw provides the hot. However, the fact that the relay clicks means that the needed ground path is being provided. Thus, the safety switches are ok. Look at safety switches, if they have only ONE wire going to them then they are ground providers for the relay coil. If they have two wires (in & out) then they are in series between the ign sw and the solenoid.
Sorry, but this post turned out to be more long winded then I wanted. I just hope it helps.


later,
george
 
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PC 1876-850 (-016000) AND 950 (-020000) COMPACT UTILITY TRACTORS
HYDRAULICS QUIK-COUPLER

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TRACTOR
KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS

1 R26448 O-RING 4
2 T42285 ADAPTER 2
3 AR92069 FITTING 2
4 R459R O-RING 4
5 AM37982 HYD. QUICK-CONNECT COUPLE 4
6 AM37983 INTERNAL HALF COUPLER 4
7A AM31275 PLUG 4 (SUB M85099)
7B M85099 CAP 4

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PC 1876-850 (-016000) AND 950 (-020000) COMPACT UTILITY TRACTORS HYDRAULICS

QUIK-CONNECT COUPLERS
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TRACTOR
KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS

1 AM37983 INTERNAL HALF COUPLER 1 1/4"
2 T41225 ADAPTER 1
3 AA36957 HYDRAULIC HOSE 1 3/4" X 152 MM (6") X 3/4", (SUB FOR AB34902)
4 R59343 RING 1
5 R26485 BACK-UP RING 1
6 L32513 SEALING WASHER 1
7 R33282 SNAP RING 1
8 AL27026 HYD. QUICK-CONNECT COUPLE 1 1/2"


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   / 850 Doesnt Start #14  
CORRECTION: I my earlier post I may have given the mistaken impression that a safety switch with two leads is NEVER a grounding sw. Although not often, two or more double lead safety switches wired in SERIES, with the final one going to ground, may also be used to provide ground for a relay coil. EG, a starter circuit may have the neutral safety sw wired in series to the pto safety sw and then finally to ground. Consequently, tractors got to be in neutral and pto off (both sw's on) for relay coil to see it's ground and latch. When relay coil latches solenoid will then get it's B+ from bat and power up.

my apologies,
george
 
   / 850 Doesnt Start #15  
Does your tractor have safety switches on the trans and PTO that stop the engine (dead man) or will not let it start in gear? sometimes these can be defective or a wire can come lose. i know, had to jump start my tracotr in the middle of the woods to find out a wire came off a safety switch while bush hogging.
 
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#16  
yeah it has the safety switches, they all check out okay.. relay should be in tomorrow, along with the hydraulic seals..
By the way this machine is forsale.. located in Rockford, illinois. 295 original hours, loader, jd bushhog, sprayer, aerator,rear blade and one other attachment i cant think of.. 15,975 is what the owner is looking for.. oh yeah its 2wd drive, always shedded. If you want pics i can get them
 
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#17  
One more thing, how much does the trans hold? we figured we might as well change the filter and fluid while we are at it.. Thanks
 
   / 850 Doesnt Start #18  
If I remember correctly my 850 took all or nearly all of a 5 gallon pail.
 

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