89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice

   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice #1  

rtpguy

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My JD316 has been fairly reliable, with a few quirks for it's age, like the fuel line inside the tank rotting away, making me think it needed a new fuel pump (it didn't), and the intake manifold causing the misfire (bought a used intake manifold to split and reseal, so I can run it with partial choke in the meanwhile).

I've been preparing to dethatch and aerate my yard, as I cut down ~ 1/2 acre of trees a few years back, and this was the year to try to 'make it look like a lawn.' ~2 weeks back, at the end of cutting the 'crap grass,' I heard a rattle and squeak, and the center blade dropped out the bottom of the mower.

As I was done mowing, and had a new pair of gator blades, I didn't think too much of it other than checking the bolt, which looked reasonably OK; I figured it had simply vibrated out over time, and reminded me that this winter needed to finally be time to get to the annoying things I've been meaning to fix/full maintenance, etc.

Today, in *dire* need of mowing before I aerate and seed, I couldn't locate the new gator blades ( :-/ ), so figured screw it, I'll replace the old blade to do a final cut, will dethatch, sweep, aerate, then seed, fertilize, and find and install the gators later. Drove the front of the tractor up on ramps, and used a jack to lift up the deck a bit. The top 1/4-3/8" of the bolt that fell out is bare with no threads, which seemed odd, but possibly machined that way as it's clean. I tried to dry thread it back in, without the blade, and it felt binding a bit, so did a quick chase with a 7/16-14 tap to just clean up the threads, very little material removed, seemed ok.

Put the blade in, hand threaded the bolt, then as I started to tighten it with ~1/2" of thread still showing, the entire bolt shifted upwards and downwards, basically acting like there was nothing 'biting' in the threads. This made my day - I've got a CD service manual, the wife assures me is...somewhere, but not anywhere I can find. I haven't taken the deck off (never have as of yet), so without a diagram I'm stuck guessing as to if the top shaft on the top of the deck with the giant nut over the pulley is actually solid down to the bottom, if only the top of the blade bolt is intended to engage, if I should consider tapping out to a 1/2" high grade bolt for the center blade, or ???

Frustrated, I decided I was going to look everywhere for my service manual and diagrams, but cut the grass with multiple passes (think about a 50" deck, roughly 3 16" blades, but xxxxxx < nothing > xxxxxx and having to overlap each pass - yeah, nice, effective cut path of 24" ;)

But, it gets better. Remove the jack, drop the tractor off the ramps, start her up, engage the pto, and...blades stop spinning after a second. Nice. Jump off, and the blade belt is *massively* loose, like a foot or more of slack. I see the spring tensioner on the side, but...no pulley on it. I locate the pulley, and see it's bearings are completely seized, and the nut is nowhere to be found. So, no cutting even baby swaths in the grass at the moment, and I need to travel for work shortly, so either get it working somehow this week or likely don't cut/aerate/seed this year, or at least until fall for winter seed, which isn't really what's needed.

It would be hysterical, as well as possibly deserved, as I've always done all maintenance on all vehicles myself, including a former highly modified weekend track car, but have been admittedly lax on tractor maintenance...if not for the timing.

Can anyone shed some light on what may have happened to the center shaft, and how that goes together? I find it unlikely it's just the top 1/2" of the bolt holding the blade on, but may be wrong. Should I try to tap it out one size up, or if not, what parts are really needed, and are they readily available at all?

Likewise, any diagram, drawing, pic, part numbers on the upper deck idler pulley would be helpful. I'm thinking the minimum to do there is likely a bearing (can these be pressed out in a vice + sockets, and freeze the replacement bearing, heat the pulley, or really need a full press?), figure out any parts missing, likely just a top washer and nut, and throw it together, and replace all of the deck bearings this winter.

Any help/advice/laughs? ;)
 
   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice #2  
No laughing matter, but you've had your share of problems.

If you have not already, go to jdparts.com and you will be able to look up the part numbers and see schematics of the parts unassembled for some guidance. Need to register, but it is free.

Keep us in touch, and maybe by now you have the deck out from under the tractor and at a convenient height on a couple horses for easy working.

Here is what I think the 50" deck idler looks like, from jdparts. And the second one is the center spindle with drive pulley (sheave)
 

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   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice
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Thanks - jdpart seems to get worse and worse, or I am, each time I try to find something there!

It seems like the right catalog is # 1959.

I don't seem to see a parts breakdown showing a replacement bearing for the idler pulley, am I missing it somehow?

Also, any thoughts on the center bolt - is this seeming likely I need to replace the entire spindle?

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   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice #4  
Holy cow rtp,you are having some issues with your deck.:(
Beenthere pointed you in the right direction,and as you mentioned,it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to replace all the moving parts that make the blades go round and round.:) If you do decide to go that route, I would suggest replacing your center spindle pulley with the "updated" one JD calls the speedup pulley. It will give you faster blade speed.

If you have trouble getting them yourself,I have all the part numbers (somewhere) for all the deck pulleys,spindles and bearings. Along with the mule drive pulleys. Yes,all the parts are available,but to get them quickly,and changed out for this week might be pushing it a bit.

Greg
 
   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice #5  
I don't seem to see a parts breakdown showing a replacement bearing for the idler pulley, am I missing it somehow?

There isn't a replaceable bearing for that pulley.It has a bushing (#2) that fits inside the bore.The pulley bearing is integral.

Greg
 
   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice #6  
Looks like you are in the right catalog, 1959.

The bearing is in the sheave (pulley #3). part AM37249
Looks to be around $9

The center spindle shaft is part # AM39918, and appears to be available.
Your dealer should have it, or can get it, also online possibilty too. Looks to be about $37.
The two bearings are also available part # JD9296

(and glc24 was quicker... :D)
 
   / 89 316 50" deck blues - could use some help and advice
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Thanks, all.

As everywhere local is closed today (and possibly tomorrow, sigh) and had other projects, I haven't pulled it apart yet, but think I've got the likely parts list.

I am stuck on one thing here - is it likely/common the threads strip out on the inside the spindle, as seems to have happened here?

I also haven't located my service manual, which may or may not cover the deck. Can anyone help out here?
I'm assuming once the snap rings are removed, it's not impossible to do the bearing press out/in with a drift or socket/jig/vice?

Parts list right now seems to be basically:
idler pulley with bearing: AM37249
idler spacer: M81677
idler nut: parts bin or 14H826

center spindle: AM32955
2x bearings: JD9296
possibly woodruff key: 26H77
possible replacement bolts: 3x 03H2126 - I'm assuming the hub needs to come out to replace the spindle + bearings
loc-tite

After which, I'll throw it back together, and do the rest of the bearings and possibly sand-blast/re-paint over the winter, depending on the myriad of other projects going on.

Is there a rebuild write-up anywhere, or available user or service manual for this deck online? Think the start of my model/SN is: m01013x
Anything special or unusual to be aware of her? Looks straight-foward enough, but.. ?
 
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PS - glc, I've seen reference to the speedup pulley, seems more likely to be a winter project right now, vs more $ outlay and I'd expect likely a not-stocked part?

Will check out the speedup pulley pricing and see if it's on hand anywhere, just expecting it not to be.
 

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