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slehrmann

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I'm in the market for a used tractor and after a lot of looking the only ones in my price range (about $1500) are 8n/9n's. I have 5 acres, about half of that gets mowed the other half is brush and woods. I really need a front loader and a backhoe attachment would be nice. My question is can these tractors handle a front end loader and be effective with it. I have to be able to mow (would like a 5' brush hog). grade a gravel driveway, grade the land around the house and clear some brush. To those who have owned or currently own these tractors, do you think this would be a good choice for me?

Thanks,

Steve


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Glad to be a member!
 
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slehrmann said:
I'm in the market for a used tractor and after a lot of looking the only ones in my price range (about $1500) are 8n/9n's. I have 5 acres, about half of that gets mowed the other half is brush and woods. I really need a front loader and a backhoe attachment would be nice. My question is can these tractors handle a front end loader and be effective with it. I have to be able to mow (would like a 5' brush hog). grade a gravel driveway, grade the land around the house and clear some brush. To those who have owned or currently own these tractors, do you think this would be a good choice for me?

Steve, did you leave a zero off your estimation? Even at $15,000, you have a list of attachments that would be a challenge to find. A tractor, loader, backhoe, rotary cutter, and boxblade are gonna cost much more than $1500. You may find an acceptable tractor for that price, but unless you inherit it, that's all your $1500 will buy.

Oh yes...almost forgot...welcome to the forum and TBN.:)
 
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Steve,


Welcome to TBN Blue.

1500$ for an 8n in my area is pretty good price depending on the condition. 8n is very well built machine but lacks a lot of hydraulic features to make it a good candidate for addition of front loader and backhoe. There is front loader for 8n that is pretty hard to come buy and they are not very sophisticated to be a good and efficient tool, although beats picking up a load of manure with wheel barrow and shovel:( . I have not seen backhoe install on 8n, but not ruling out of matching something up, if you do then you probably need to have a PTO driven Hyd pump to do any good. Making it all work efficiently and productively is going to be very difficult and many times more expensive than the 1500$. We got many old ford tractor expert that hopefully will chime in with more solid information before too long. If I were you, I'd stick a 5 foot brush hog in the back , made sure I had Overrunning clutch and just brush hogged your acreage with it. Adding blade , plow, carry all to it to get some more functionality.:)


JC,
 
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Dearborn made a loader for the N series tractor. It operates by chaining down the 3pt hitch and piping a line from the bottom of the rear end housing to the loader cylinders. It operates the hydralics only to lift the load, the weight of the loader displaces the fluid to let the unit down. The bucket does not have any cylinders attached and operates with a manual pin for the dump. You refix the pin by setting the loader down and the spring loaded pin inserts itself back in the release mechanism.

I have one for my 8N but I've never hooked it up and now have a larger tractor with a loader. If anyone wants it the first $150 takes it.
 
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The N's are great little tractors, one will do almost everything you want, maybe not as efficently as a $15,000 machine, but it will beat using a shovel/rake/wheelbarrow. We have two of these tractors, they usually get passed up for the newer JD with the loader. My parents used one on a 52 acre farm for setting posts, moving gravel, mowing pastures, hauling wood, you name it, it was a true time saver back in the 70's thru 2000, when I bought the JD. The N's are easy to work on, usually because you will need to adjust or tinker with something every once in awhile. I wouldn't be afraid of getting any N tractor for what your purpose is, not sure about putting a backhoe on it tho (maybe a Woods 650 ?)

Good Luck!!
 
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Thanks for the replies. Jinman, I wasn't very clear on what i was trying to say. in my area (St. Louis) you can find 8/9ns for about $1500. I wasn't expecting to find one with every attachment out there for that price (would be nice though!). I was planning on just buying the tractor and brush hog first, then either buying or fabricating the front end loader and back hoe. I have read that the hydraulics are the weak point on these models. I don't have any first hand experience w/ tractors, but i'm the kind of person that thinks you can modify anything to work. My main concern would be if the actual tractor could handle my future mods. I'm hoping the old phrase "they don't build them lilke they used to" is true!
 
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slehrmann said:
. . .I was planning on just buying the tractor and brush hog first, then either buying or fabricating the front end loader and back hoe. I have read that the hydraulics are the weak point on these models. I don't have any first hand experience w/ tractors, but i'm the kind of person that thinks you can modify anything to work. My main concern would be if the actual tractor could handle my future mods. I'm hoping the old phrase "they don't build them lilke they used to" is true!

Steve, the N-model tractors make great mower tractors, but I would not consider them as acceptable for a loader or backhoe. Not even the guys with lots of money to make modifications would do that to an N-model and expect to get regular work done with it. Look around. How many of those tractors do you see with a loader and a backhoe doing work? There's a reason for that. The tractor probably would not hold up and you surely would not as the operator. You would be "beat to death" by those kinds of implements on an 8N.

I'd do like JC-jetro and other folks suggested and use the tractor with a rotary cutter. It's also a good tractor for a boxblade or other 3PH implements. I'd buy that tractor and save my money for a future loader-tractor purchase or rent a loader-backhoe when needed.
 
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I had a loader on an 8n I owned ... it had two valves on it, 1 for lift and 1 for dump, and it was frame heavy. It mounted to the rear axles, had a frame that came over and around the seat and across the hood in front of the operator, and was hydraulically(ms) self enclosed. It had a pump that ran off the front of the crankshaft under the radiator. What a beast.... the only thing I ever did with that 8n was mow and move a little dirt. Like Jim said -- 8n s are OK for mowing grass ---- but I could easily kill the motor in heavy brush. I think your $$ limit is going to cripple what you want to do.
 
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If you can find a good 8N for that price I would say go for it. It will handle the 5ft brush hog OK. The loader should be OK also, except no power steering. I have loaded thousands of tons of manure with an 8N and it stood up to it, still has the same clutch. Your best bet would be to find one with a loader on it driven by a front pump. There were Wagner loaders and other brands with hydraulic bucket cylinder that were strong and worked well. If you find one to use with a loader, check out the front axle pivot bushing. I would forget about the backhoe on this tractor.
 
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This is my equipment

5' used ford brush hog - craigs list $250
6' Ford rear blade (landpride RB3572) - criagslist $75
5' never used but been sitting out for a while, light weight no name box blade - bought it off the front yard of a guy down the road. - $200

It can be done, all my equipment is perfectly useable, and while not absloulty brand new, is very servicable and have yet to have probs with any of it.

ive seen a few single arm loaders on 8/9n's but they are rare. usually fetch round 3K on criagslist (tractor with loader)

my bare bones budget would be $5K

for 7-8 you can step into a used Kubota BX with hoe.... (but who wants a glorified rideing lawn mower anyway) :cool:
 
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As the others have said... Yes.. you can get an 8n and graft a loader and a hoe onto it ( sherman digger fits ).. but it will be a lumbering underpowered unfeatured hulk. At a minimum you will be putting a front mounted pump on it..and the sherman digger will not be quick disconnect to throw that mower on.

In some areas you can find a running N and a 5' mower and a blade for your price. Those are the items it will be fine for... The loader.. whether jungle gym style with down/power up and trip dump.. or a full hyd loader.. yeah.. it works.. but the 8n was not designed to use a loader... it steers hard.. but yeah.. it is better than a shovel and wheel barrow.

Generally yo can find slightly larger, more capable fords for just a lil more cash.. like a 660 or 861... one with ps and a hyd remote would be great for a mower, blade, a loader and even a small light duty hoe.

soundguy
 
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I fully argee with the majority here. I have had my 9N for 20 years and I really enjoy it but a loader and back hoe would basically ruin its usefulness. It does a good job at bush hoggin' and moving a back blade or box blade. I finally got a tractor with a fel and back hoe and use it conjunction with the 9N to work the dirt.
 
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My first memories of riding with dad on a tractor were of his NEW 8N with a loader. We would drive down into a shallow creek on the home place and scoop up gravel to put on the driveway. (I was 3 or 4 yo) As a youngster that was enthralled with anything "tractor", I can still recall being very much UNimpressed with the progress we made with that tractor and loader. It was better than a sharp stick in the eye, but not by a huge margin. There are much better options as far as loader tractors go. Many of those options in the same general price range as a nice N.
 
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Hi Steve,


Power of persuasion here you know:D Lots of great and sage information... what a country if you asked me.... where can you find all of this so freely and affordably. By the way I forgot to mention that In lieu of full functional front end loader I have a " on the cheap, no sophistication, no hyd needed Rear End Loader... AKA dirt scoop":D . Although it by a long shot falls behind FLA but again is better than a shovel and a wheel barrow:( it sure affords you to clumsily pick up stuff and dump. Dumping is more difficult than picking things up, but can not beat it for $250 or so for brand new and much cheaper used.

JC,:)

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I don't know what the prices are now, but on my wife's side of the family we have an old Ford 5000 that has a FEL and backhoe on it. I think it has about twice the power as the 8N if I'm not mistaken (I'm sure someone here will know). Although it seems to be rather heavy, for a gas powered tractor it does a reasonably decent job. I've personally never been involved in taking the backhoe off though. That may be a big issue. I don't know. Anyway, that particular tractor seems to be much more capable than our 8N. I would think you'd end up destroying a good old tractor to put a FEL and backhoe on an 8N and work it hard. The front end on the 8N just doesn't look like it would hold up if you were to carry much around in a FEL. Again, I'm sure Soundguy or someone else could tell you more on that part as well as about the Ford 5000. I only mention that particular tractor since we have one in the family and I've used it some.
 
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JC-jetro said:
By the way I forgot to mention that In lieu of full functional front end loader I have a " on the cheap, no sophistication, no hyd needed Rear End Loader... AKA dirt scoop":D .
JC,:)

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Great point, JC! Now tell us about that green machine hiding in that barn. Is there something you've been hiding from us? Huh...be honest now...:D
 
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jinman said:
Great point, JC! Now tell us about that green machine hiding in that barn. Is there something you've been hiding from us? Huh...be honest now...:D

Jim,

Oh man:eek: :eek: , I'm busted, nothing passes them "eagle eyes" of yours:D :D That JD-2510 gasser belongs to my neighbour, she uses that for mowing and racking hay. She's got a cab JD-6300 ?? I belive for cutting and bailing hay. she runs her cattle on my place during late winter(outside of deer season) and spring since I got running water. I get to park my rig and implement in her barn. My lil Ford occupies 1/4 of the barn mixing it up with the big boys.:D

JC,
 
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Twice plus. The gasser probably dings in the upper/mid 60's.. but I bet it's tough to feed her. I know a gasser 8xx and 4000 really drink it.. i can only imagine what a gasser 5000 costs to run.. but yeah.. lots of tractor there.. one fo fords best tractors in that size/hp range..

soundguy

Dargo said:
I don't know what the prices are now, but on my wife's side of the family we have an old Ford 5000 that has a FEL and backhoe on it. I think it has about twice the power as the 8N if I'm not mistaken (I'm sure someone here will know). Although it seems to be rather heavy, for a gas powered tractor it does a reasonably decent job. I've personally never been involved in taking the backhoe off though. That may be a big issue. I don't know. Anyway, that particular tractor seems to be much more capable than our 8N. I would think you'd end up destroying a good old tractor to put a FEL and backhoe on an 8N and work it hard. The front end on the 8N just doesn't look like it would hold up if you were to carry much around in a FEL. Again, I'm sure Soundguy or someone else could tell you more on that part as well as about the Ford 5000. I only mention that particular tractor since we have one in the family and I've used it some.
 
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An 8n or 9n works real well on a 5 foot brush hog as long as you use an overrunning coupler. With a $1500 budget, I think they would be the best if not only option for the tasks you describe. I would certainly forget about the loader and the backhoe as these are not a good tractor on either of those implements. For moving dirt and small digging jobs, a pond scoop would be a much better idea. I actually used one on an 8n to make a 50 ft diameter , 8 ft deep pond. It took me a while but was a lot faster and easier than I could have done with a shovel and wheelbarrel. To operate one of these in the "pull" direction (like I dug the pond), an 8n or 9n would work well, but to use them in the "push" direction, a 9n would be better as they have reverse gear equal to 1st, while on an 8n, reverse is equal to third gear. This higher gear makes it difficult to fill the scoop by backing into a pile. Some of the earlier 8n's may have had lower geared reverse, and a Sherman transmission option would give you a high and low speed reverse but these are not nearly as common as the standard models. The higher speed reverse of the 8n is a lot better for pushing snow with a rear blade than the slow crawl of the 9n and I have used mine to move mountains of the white stuff over the years. Anytime you use any implement in reverse on any of these models, you will want to be sure to use stabilizer bars on the lower links to avoid bending them. Finding a 9n in decent condition for under $1500 is relatively easy in most ares of the country, while the newer 8n's usually will cost you around $500 more. There was also a model known as the 2n in between the 9n (1939-1941) and the 8n (1948-1952), but most folks just call them 9n's since they were nearly identical to the 9n. No tractor before or after has better parts availability than the 9n/2n/8n so you will always be able to get what you need to keep them going. The tractors that replaced the 8n's had live hydraulics but the hydraulics were a liitle less durable. Also, they were clumsier and a big step backward in power/weight ratio as well as a little less fuel efficient. The power/weight ratio of the n's were phenominal for their era. These were the first mass-produced tractor with the 3 pt hitch, which negated the need for all the dead weight that the others needed to do well on a plow. Adding a loader to an 8n is a particularly poor idea because it takes away this light weight advantage.
 
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It was the late 52 8N that got a lower reverse gear ratio.

soundguy
 

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