91 L2550. Starter won't engage. click/click. new Alt & Reg recently.

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Re: UPDATE! : 91 L2550. Starter won't engage. click/click. new Alt & Reg recently.

Sometimes the switches in the dash on older machines don't get a good enough ground. To test this, connect a jumper cable from the battery neg terminal directly to the cowl metal near the switch. If function improves, install a piece of copper house wire to strengthen cowl grounding.
 
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Re: UPDATE! : 91 L2550. Starter won't engage. click/click. new Alt & Reg recently.

Thanks! New relay is on it's way also! Be here tomorrow I hope. But I still need to get that meter on it later. I can confirm something is going on w/ the ignition switch. New one w/ keys on the way. I can return it if not helpful.

The current problem has gone from intermittent into a full on failed. I can jiggle and wiggle the key to the "start" and it'll start, but when the key goes back to RUN , it fails instantly. I need to get off all this day job stuff and get out there and dig in. :smiley_aafz:
 
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That is a very good idea... Will try that in a bit also! Can only help eliminate and isolate.

Sometimes the switches in the dash on older machines don't get a good enough ground. To test this, connect a jumper cable from the battery neg terminal directly to the cowl metal near the switch. If function improves, install a piece of copper house wire to strengthen cowl grounding.
 
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The contacts in the switch run position are not letting power go to the hold circuit on the fuel shutoff solenoid. The new switch should sort that, as if it was a wiring problem going to the solenoid it probably wouldn't start at all.
 
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The diagnosis!: 91 L2550. Starter won't engage. click/click. new Alt & Reg recently.

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Pic of putting meter on RED G lug wire. and other lead on AC lug which is RUN and should be 0 ohms or short internally to pass the 12 V to keep ol' Orange running happy.
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NOTE- A Day later.... New switch arrived 10am. Installed and she fired right up! ). Case closed.


Short Summary of what the write up below all means:

Basically, the TRactor was hard to start for over a month. I would turn on and off. on and off. It turns out that when you turn the key to START, it must short out 3 internal contacts to the center red 12V contact and pass the 12V to all those places. Missing even 1 contact means... no start. To test this you need a meter to test for your switch's internal shorting. You will connect to the RED wire terminal ( see pic above) and move the other lead around to the other 3 wires via the process below.

If your HEATER is bad, that switch position connects out the rear on a separate lug and a separate wire that goes over to the heater indicator. Just test on the open lug. There is no wire for the heater on that 4 wire plug.


Ok - Top Image is from the back of the manual. IT's a terminal matrix for the ignition unit. It shows the connections and what happens on each lug when you turn the key. I mean, RTMF sometimes works right. :hehe long day. I know it's blurry in the image but I can confirm I've got a bad Ignition switch. It's pulled out and I'm across the 4 contacts w/ my Meter in Ohms Mode. From the chart on the manual wiring page you can see (not in this image) which colors are used for each of the lines as (see full testing desc. below) BR BW R and RW color wires. These colors should match up w/ your harness 4 lug connector as:
BATT- Red wire and noted as G lug. (center lug folks).
G1 = solid line over to Heater indicator element. N/A for this test. uless your heater is not working.
G2 = Black White-
ST = Black Red.
AC = Red White.

Unless I'm missing something, here is the test I've done.
From the chart you can then ohm out the lines needed to short internally from BATT (G red wire lug) to the other harness lugs which travel to the places needing power.
Connect 1 meter lead to RED/BATT/G (lug in center).
To Start ohm test:
Connect other meter lead to ST/Black-Red lug. Turn Key to start. Should go to Zero ohms. Move lead from ST to G2/Black Red lug. Turn key to Start. Should go to zero ohms. Move lead to AC/Red-White lug. Turn key to start. should go to Zero ohm. These 3 zero ohm conditions are needed to start the tractor.
then back from spring loaded START to RUN...
To Run ohm test:
one lead on Red wire lug. (G) center lead. Other on AC lead (red white). should be zero ohms.


What my ignition switch does on the bench: I can get the START position to Ohm to zero on the 3 lugs but only by really twisting and pressing and playing.
- So that why it'll start when I yank and crank the key.
to Run: should be a short on BATT to AC. (red/white) wire. And no matter what in RUN selection, I cannot get it to zero out. So that's broken internally and why the tractor instantly stops when I go from START to RUN... (god Ihope)

to pull the ignition was only a few mins work. Don't hesitate if you think it's hard. It's not. Untwist the heater indicator top and press thru. There is enough slack to then pull off the cowling and disconnect the two harness connectors and your off the tractor w/ the assy. Taking the ignition switch out was just unscrewing the top cap and pushing it thought too.

So.. glad I put that on hot order overnight earlier b4 the overnight deadline.

I hope this can help someone in the future. It was no fun to get to diagnoses, but not too expensive in parts.
 
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I'm impressed by your analysis and writeup on your diagnosis.

What do you have for a meter? I have not had to get into this detail yet and most of mine are HF freebies.
 
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Thanks! I'm a huge forum guy on many related to Electronics and CNC and Machinist sites... and i'm a college teacher. In my blood to make these worthy for everyone. So many have helped me on these sites. I just finished an edit/update to clean it up a bit. Any meter will do that has an OHMS or 'continuity' (sometimes called a 'ringer' for 'ringing' out lead connections). Mine is a fluke only cause I found it first. I have at least 5 of the HF's. 1 in every toolbox that goes in the truck or into the field. Good test & measurement gear is a HUGE plus when you're dead in a field.

I'm impressed by your analysis and writeup on your diagnosis.

What do you have for a meter? I have not had to get into this detail yet and most of mine are HF freebies.
 
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There are a lot of posts on this thread and a LOT of great comments and suggestions. If you have arrived at this post from a search engine and your Kubota will not start, there are some great ideas for you to check. If you think after a lot of trial and error that you need to check the swith itself, please see the thread posted as ;"The diagnosis!: 91 L2550. Starter won't engage. click/click. new Alt & Reg recently." In there I offer how to test the switch itself. All the best, CG
 

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