AC or AC/DC?

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Rayrla

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Trying to determine which type of arc welder to buy. Uses are to repair equipment and some fabrication. Have ruled out MIG because most repair work to be done outdoors and with "dirty" metal. Is AC/DC worth the extra cost? Your opinions.
 
   / AC or AC/DC? #3  
Rayrla,

Definetly AC/DC.....No Question for repair work I use DC- for strong welds all the time.....

If you have the money AC/DC/Tig HF covers all the bases....(light duty, heavy duty, stainless , aluminum) but comes with addl costs (argon tank refills), but you'll do everything......

AC/DC welding is definetly where to go for strong repair work without all the changeovers needed with Mig.....

Don't get me wrong I have Mig also...and its good for fabricating (fast and clean welds), but my vote for strong repair work on steel is DC-......:thumbsup:
 
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The DC setting will give you more control and less splatter. The rod wont stick as much and the results will look better. DC make arc welding easy.

Eddie
 
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DC opens you up to a whole new world of Electrodes that when ran on DC give you Out of Possition options like Vertical and Overhead that are difficult with AC. And Yes Aluminum. Just remember when using Aluminum Rods, 1 = Pre Heat to 500 degrees. Run the Aluminum Rod 90 degrees to your work and go like H--l. You can get to 500 degrees by using a Temp Stick or, Take a Oxy/Acet. torch and turn on only the Acetylene. Smoke the area that you wish to weld with Acetylene Smoke. Then turn on the O2. Pre-heat the area and when the Black Smoke goes away, You are at 500 degrees. Now lay a great bead with the Aluminum Rod. If you dont pre-heat and or run at a 90 degree angle, You will get Bird Crap looking Aluminum Welds. Take the extra step and enjoy repairing Aluminum. :thumbsup:
 
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If you can find a DC only inverter, you won't even think back to welding with AC. It costs a little more, but they certainly are worth the extra $ to invest. They are much lighter and more portable.
 
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If you can find a DC only inverter, you won't even think back to welding with AC. It costs a little more, but they certainly are worth the extra $ to invest. They are much lighter and more portable.

Couldnt have said it better...I absouletly LOVE my Maxstar 150 for so many reasons...
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I am noticing that most DC machines are lower amperage than AC machines. Does DC need less amperage?
 
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Not necessarily. The DC inverter machines can be bought up to 600 amps if you want and have the money. But like the Everlast PowerARC 200...It sells for $350.00 , weighs less than 30 lbs, scratch start tig capable and is a commercial class machine. 200 amps is way more than enough to handle 95% of the welding jobs most commercial customers have even in the oil fields.

BUT transformer machines that have AC/DC do have much less amp capability in DC just because of the way they are manufactured with the rectifying system that is administered to the AC current.

DC current is much more stable and yes, because of the DC polarity, the electrode gets the majority of the heat concentrated on it so melting is smooth and regular. On AC, the heat is shared 50/50 60 times a second. During the time the arc cycles or "reverses" the arc literally goes out and then reestablishes. There are very few real reasons anyone will ever need an AC current when stick welding. It makes a much lower quality weld with more slag and inclusions in the weld. One time that AC is usually touted to be superior is controlling arc blow. But proper cable and clamp arrangement and a little skill can prevent this rare occurance in DC as well.
 

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Not necessarily. The DC inverter machines can be bought up to 600 amps if you want and have the money. But like the Everlast PowerARC 200...It sells for $350.00 , weighs less than 30 lbs, scratch start tig capable and is a commercial class machine. 200 amps is way more than enough to handle 95% of the welding jobs most commercial customers have even in the oil fields.

BUT transformer machines that have AC/DC do have much less amp capability in DC just because of the way they are manufactured with the rectifying system that is administered to the AC current.

DC current is much more stable and yes, because of the DC polarity, the electrode gets the majority of the heat concentrated on it so melting is smooth and regular. On AC, the heat is shared 50/50 60 times a second. During the time the arc cycles or "reverses" the arc literally goes out and then reestablishes. There are very few real reasons anyone will ever need an AC current when stick welding. It makes a much lower quality weld with more slag and inclusions in the weld. One time that AC is usually touted to be superior is controlling arc blow. But proper cable and clamp arrangement and a little skill can prevent this rare occurance in DC as well.

Can't argue with anything you said here, but man, I got a 35+ year-old monkey-ward (Montgomery Ward) AC buzz-box that flat-out can lay some rod. I think the duty-cycle on it is 30% at its max current, but I have seen the ol' man go through boxes of rods non-stop for hours. Thinking back on it, it really was a sight to see. I remember watching him for hours after school with the extra shield he bought just for me. Well, I'll stop before I reminisce too much more...

Ah..., I love the smell of 6011 in the morning...
 

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