Adding Remotes will this work?

   / Adding Remotes will this work? #1  

gnhuntin

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Kubota L4200 17yrs No issues 5140 on the way
I am getting a new Kubota M5140 and it currently has 2 remotes on the rear. I want to add top and tilt and want a third to angle a rear blade. Instead of purchasing the third remote from Kubota, I think I can use a double selector valve and remove the couplings from one of the existing remotes and run hoses to the selector valve then from the 2 outputs of the selector valve to a manifold with 2 sets of couplings. I will machine the manifold from aluminum and there will be 4 straight through ports (really just a mounting block for the quick couplers although I will probably reduce the diameter in the block to serve as a reducer valve). Any idea what the diameter should be to reduce the flow for the TnT, was thinking .062? What say the experts is this idea ok? Anyone have a phone # for MtnViewRanch
 

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Fasse makes an electrically controlled system similar to your drawing. Myself I would attach more valves with a PBY block rather than tie up existing remote outlets.
 
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Take a look here, I do this all the time. $535 gets you everything to have those 3 rear remotes. :cool: The pictures on the website show a single OEM valve controlling 4 separate sets of remotes. :thumbsup:
 
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TxJim got me to thinkin, how am I tying up my existing remote by starting with 1 and ending up with two but my original drawing would be leaving one remote on the table. Here is my revised plan. I ordered SAE 8 15 GPM DOUBLE SELECTOR VALVE 12 VDC P15544-1 item number: 9-5117 from Surplus Center. When it is not powered both sets of ports are closed and these will be used for the top and tilt (no power, ports closed - no leak down). I will keep the factory couplings and T into them, when the selector valve is off the originals will function as normal giving me a total of 4 Sets of Remotes. The only downside I see to this is: If I have something connected to the 4th set and move either the top or tilt that connection will move, I need to find a cheap 12 VDC on/off valve for it. New Hydraulic Setup.JPG
 
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gnhuntin:

You may discover that you don't need flow restrictors. That valve you chose rated 15 gpm only when both solenoids are shifted to allow flow through both circuits. The individual solenoid valves are only 7gpm. I know because I got one, had excess pressure losses at 12gpm, and upon checking with the cartridge manufacturer learned the facts.
 
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I think that one would find that even 7GPM is a bit much for operating a top and tilt set slow and smooth, especially the side link. Flow restrictors are the way to go and even then the dia of the cylinder will make a difference with what size restrictor gets used. ;)

Just my :2cents:
 
   / Adding Remotes will this work? #10  
There is the capacity to add separate remotes by installing another double spool control valve into the circuit.
Whether the new valve goes before or after the existing is a question of where there is room to mount it.
Here is a simple description.
Locate the pressure delivery line and it can be cut into and directed to the input side of the new spool valve set.
Each new remote is coupled onto the spool valve, I use 1/2 inch double braid high pressure hydraulic hose and re-useable (IE able to fit yourself) connectors, and whatever standard of quick release coupling is your preference.
The pressure exhaust line from the new spool set is then connected to the inlet of the existing spool valve set servicing the OEM outlets. The low pressure (bypass) outlet from the new spool valve set is connected without restriction to the return line (sometimes it can be teed into the oOEM bypass/return) line to the hydraulic oil storage tank or a new connection directly into the top of the tank again no restriction.
The exhaust line from the OEM spool is left to return to tank as is the pressure relief bypass if there is a separate one.
BUT it is essential that a "power beyond valve is fitted to the spool valve that first receives the oil nfrom the pump. It is usually easier to fit this to the new spool valve. What this does is to permit the pressure relief valve in the first valve in the circuit to dump excess pressure back into the storage tank . If this is not fitted rather than the point of relief being the cumulative pressure setting of the two sets of spool valves it is in fact amultiple of the values they are set at, leading to damage either to the pump or some other part of the circuit.
The advantage of this setup is you have two double ie 4 remote connections and if you want flow restriction, the restrictors can be fitted into the line from the couplings to the device/cylinder being used.
You could fit single, double, triple or quad spool valve set this way and if of a mind you can later fit a third spool set remembering that every spool set in the line has to have apower beyond valve fitted with a low pressure unrestricted return to the tank.
May sound complicated but is more useful than a director valve/s. I feel like I need to be an octopus to manage director valves.
This setup is very useful if adding a front end loader to a tractor and by using a quad spool valve setup then the 4-in-1 bucket the crowd ,the lift and even a further outlet to power a fourth implement/ tool on the FEL arms.
Most aftermarket spool valves will have the facility for a power beyond valve.
Old age and a grumpy disposition mean that I have not yet mastered the art of sending pics.
 

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