Air cooled VW

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patrickg

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Kubota Grand L4610HSTC
Come on guys, I know some of you are old enough to remember the BUG and are much more mechanically astute than I. I wonder what a fair price would be to R&R a swing axle transaxle. I have a bug with a broken paw. Left rear axle is snapped clean off. I have a complete transaxle to replace it but no idea what a fair price would be to pull the engine and tranny then put in the "new" tranny and replace the engine. I know the experts that do this sort of a thing a lot can do it in less time than it would take me to walk around it several times getting up the courage to start but those experts don't work around here.

I was thinking that the R&R for my situation should be no more costly than for a stock beatle as my situation is a fiberglass bodied dune buggy with removable pipe cage around engine that leaves the engine and tranny much more exposed and accessible than in a stock Bug. I am confident that I could do it myself BUT... I have a time problem and a shop where I have over $300 credit due me. I didn't want to wipe the slate clean if the job honestly wasn't worth that much. Any educated guesses?
Patrick
 
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Patrick,
Get a 6-pack and have a friend come over and you can have it done in about 2-3 hours. By the way they have contest on how fast they can take a motor out of a bug and put it back in. I think its less than 3 min. and the car has to run.

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Patrick,
I used to have one of those way back that I made into a baja bug. I snapped a few axles and could replace them in about three hours by myself. I bought the axles from the junkyard for about $50. I would say the job should be no more than $200 depending on what you have to pay for the axle. I would add three hours shop labor to the price of the axle. Surely if a 16 year old kid can do it in three hours they should be able to.

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Wow, 3 minutes is fast. I used to be able to get them out in 15. Back in took longer.

On the axle, does the transaxle need to come out to replace the axle? I'm not remembering too well, but I thought there was a CV joint at the transaxle, so you could remove the axle and leave the engine and trans in place. I think later models had two CV joints, one in-board and one out-board so it was no longer a swing axle.

3 hours should be plenty of time provided the brake lines don't crack and the emergency break cable comes off OK, etc.
 
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Richard (AKA CowboyDoc), I thought you were cool, man, now I have another reason, you were an aircooled VW kinda guy. I probably shoulda bought a BajaBug/SandFlea kinda thingy in place of or in addition to my Myers Manx-alike (for an all weather ride). With careful shopping I could have bought a Baja cheaper than the custom convertable top I'm designing and having built for the Manx. I don't even have the lower tin on this thing and it runs too cool in San Diego, about right in Baja if you RUN it. So, here in south central OK I'm guessing I will need the lower tin and an operable thermostat to drive it in the cold, not to mention I have no heater muffs. Been shopping for an electric flying suit to wear in winter but have only found electric socks and gloves with the gloves being way to clumsy.

I picked up the buggy with the Kubota pallet forks and put it on my trailer. The shop unloaded it with a forklift. Those flat pans are handy. They will pull the engine and tranny, flush and fill the "new" tranny, put it in and reinstall the engine, using a new clutch disk. All this for about $350. They already have my money. I "bought" a transaxle from them that was missing the end piece on the axle ($350). Didn't actually take the tranny. Looked all over, couldn't find the part needed but did find a complete tranny for $125. the shop is being nice and letting me NOT TAKE the tranny and get other parts and labor instead. Otherwise, I would have swapped it myself, perhaps not in three hours but in a day.

Not sure I would want them working on my ride but I would like to watch a 3 min engine/tranny swap.

Patrick
 
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Patrick,
Here's one to remember. Those things float!!! Graduation night of high school we were down by the Snake River. One of the guys was razzing me that those things would float. Well there was a little inlet where the boats docked and then land on the other side of it, probably 20 foot and shallow. Well I got a run and made it across there no problem. I did this a few times and got a little braver. Well to make a long story short I got too far out and the current got me and I headed down the river. I had the big "baja" tires on the back and just kept it revved up and in gear. The tires acted as a paddle and I made it to the bank again. Had a little water in it but nothing bad. IT'S true they do float!

On the lighter side I had a ball with that thing. I had the engine hopped up and we'd take it out in the desert and run it all over jumping dunes and such. I'd take it on the roads and you could slide it around corners almost sideways. It was alot of fun and lucky I didn't kill myself in it.

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<font color=blue>you could slide it around corners almost sideways</font color=blue>

In '65 my cousin had a new VW bug, told me how stable they were and how they could slide around, then proceeded to show me; only time I've ever been in a vehicle that rolled./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif Then he stepped all over me getting the driver's door open (it was on top) to get out, and I was laughing so hard at the darned fool that I couldn't hardly climb out./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird
 
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Lets see Patrick, I've had a 58, a 63, 68, another 68, 72, and a 73. One was a Fastback. Can pull a VW engine in 13.5 minutes, takes a 10mm, a 13 mm, a 17mm, and a screwdriver for some throttle cables and sometimes the fuel line clamp and some wires. 10mm is for the heater control cables. Once the 4-17mm nuts are off, grab the exhaust heat risers on the intake manifold and pull wiggling as you go, jack underneath rolls with the engine and shes out. One trick, put the jackstands high enough to facilitate rolling the engine out from under the car while on the jack. Transaxle is almost as easy. Did my first transaxle in 6th grade, it was a 1958. It had a broken shifting fork. Cost... my brother bought me a brand new 4 hp engine for a mini bike I welded up out of 3/4" water pipe. The engine was made by Clinton, I remember getting it thinking life was great, turned out the engine was a piece of crap, Rat...
 
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Richard, Great yarn! Amphicars, they weren't, but they would float a bit for a while, especially if the door and other seals were in good condition. When you pulled your stunt, you must have been fairly lightly loaded (I meant car but guess that should apply to you as well) as otherwise the tires are submerged so far that they don't make much net propulsion, just churn the water and the greater depth, due to loading, makes the leaks worse which lowers the car which makes the leaks worse and so on until disaster.

My car is a 1961 with a slightly warmed over 1600. Pretty mild, single standard carb and just a bit too much compression to run without detonation on Mexican regular (and most of what is labeled as high octane down there). I have tuned headers A N D a good muffler (I hate loud and obnoxious). The muffler is easily replaced with a vertical stinger if you want noise, I don't do it. The original body is long gone and the floor pan/frame-chassis thingy is shortened by about 14 inches (short wheelbase gives handling characteristics of a go-cart). Remember the crowded back seat with little leg room for rear seat passengers? Well, that is where the 14 inches were removed. It has a fiberglass body with no doors or top. I will be getting a top designed and built (convertible cloth top) hopefully before it turns cold or too rainy. I have a hinged platform back there with storage below for tow strap, jack, cans of instant spare, tools, etc. and two seatbelts on top for little people (not leprechauns... I mean children and or small adults). There is a square bed frame type roll bar around the windshield and just behind the front seat connected by tubing which extends back around the engine for a full engine cage with skid pans below. In theory you could roll the bugy over, right it, and keep on. I haven't tested that theory yet. I too, catch a little air (go airborn) on occasion, sometimes on purpose other times as an unexpected adrenelin event. So far llittle damage and what there has been I could fix.

My tires in rear are about 18 inches wide. and in front much much smaller. CG is behind the pilot so don't need much tread width up front (considerably lighter that original bug configuration). This thing started life with a transparent gold metal flake gel coat but is painted forest green with some gloss black and some flat black accents(?). The speedo is fairly accurate and as you recall is driven by the left front wheel so the huge rear tires do not make for a speedo error. I have had it indicating a bit over 85 on the highway. Got it to about 65 or a bit over briefly on the beach in Baja. More typical speeds on the beach is 5-45 (not a lot of folks on the beach for miles and miles of nice sand in places in Baja). I wish I had lower gearing so I could carry a bit more RPM when going slow off road, picking my way across rough areas and the like. Big tires exacerbate the problem but little tires sink in the sand too much and stress the engine or bury up and strand you.

Getting this thing "street legal registry" in CA was an interesting experience that I won't go into unless there are requests. Tags expire the end of Sept so I will be putting OK plates on it (way cheaper). I'm hoping that it makes a good ranch scout car with its light loading on the tires. Hope it will tread lightly as I think it will. I will miss the A/C in our trucks but the sacrifice may be worth it. Soon I will be shopping for an "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" for it. Would like to have a Kubelwagen (Thing) but they are getting harder than Bugs to maintain due to parts availability so I am at least a decade late on that one.

Hope to have it back on the road later this week but only time will tell. If I remember, when I get it back I will post a picture of it before it secumbs to the planned camo paint job.

And... no, this one only looks like a bath tub but wouldn't float very long.

Patrick
 
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Rat, It ain't cause I disagree with you about the difficulty that I am having this shop do the work. They have about $350 of my money. Choices are: Lose it, lose 30% restocking fee, or take labor and parts up to the $350. PLUS I'm a bit busy with projects right now, plus I have so much stuff still packed away from move that I don't have full use of 75x35 shop nor do I have access to all my tools. Next time, I'll buy a 6pak. stoke up the grill, and give you a call.

Patrick
 

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