I've been shopping for 30 hp tractors. Deere 790, NH TC-30, Kubota L-2800, Kioti CK-30, Mahindra 2810. All are $16,000 with same makes loader, within $300 dollars across 10 dealers. I really thought that Kioti or Mahindra would be cheaper(in price), maybe JD more expensive.. Is this just an upstate NY thing or is it prevalent across the country?
all brands, $16,000?????????
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npaden
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From my personal shopping experience it seems that you are right. The difference is bells and whistles. On the Deere, New Holland & Kubota you are looking at their basic models. If you step up to their deluxe models you will see a price difference.
On the Kioti and Mahindra they really don't have the basic models and the models you listed have some extra features. At least that's the way it is in the 45hp size range. The Kioti's, Montana's, etc. have draft control, remote hydraulics and things like that.
It might not be the same on the 30hp ones though.
FWIW, Nathan
On the Kioti and Mahindra they really don't have the basic models and the models you listed have some extra features. At least that's the way it is in the 45hp size range. The Kioti's, Montana's, etc. have draft control, remote hydraulics and things like that.
It might not be the same on the 30hp ones though.
FWIW, Nathan
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Well, if you're looking for something totally different at $16,000 here's one idea that might be worth a look...
Power Trac 1430, 30hp Diesel
Power Trac 1430, 30hp Diesel
Right, you are comparing "base tractors" from NH, Kubota, and JD to "high feature" tractors from Mahindra and Kioti...so in reallity you are getting more for your $$ with the Mahindra and Kioti, as far as features go anyway.
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My view is the same as Nathan's. I ended up with a Kubota L3400.
The 790 was out for me because of the lack of hydro - otherwise it would be in the running.
The CK30 was very close in price to the L3400 with a few extras that I didn't really need - like mid pto, telescopic lower links etc.
Might have made a difference if the dealer network for Kioti around here was stronger. But price certainly did not make a difference.
The CK30 seems to be quite a nice machine though.
Mahindra and Branson were close to non existant around here wrt. dealer network so they weren't in the running.
The 790 was out for me because of the lack of hydro - otherwise it would be in the running.
The CK30 was very close in price to the L3400 with a few extras that I didn't really need - like mid pto, telescopic lower links etc.
Might have made a difference if the dealer network for Kioti around here was stronger. But price certainly did not make a difference.
The CK30 seems to be quite a nice machine though.
Mahindra and Branson were close to non existant around here wrt. dealer network so they weren't in the running.
daTeacha
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There is just a whole lot of stuff out there in the 25 - 35 hp range. I spent a lot of time narrowing it down. It sounds like you need to check out what the dealer parts/service guys are like, sit on and drive most everything you're looking at, compare weights, lifting abilities, maintainence needs and costs, ease of doing things like checking/changing the oil and filters, just everything you can think of. Pay special attention to how it fits your body shape -- is there room for your feet and legs to move the controls easily? Can you reach everything without getting into an uncomfortable twist, stretch, etc. It's going to be a matter of which tractor has the best combination of things most important to you. The way the rear stabilizers work is important to some folks, the way you adjust the level on the 3 point is different from one machine to another, whether it includes the drawbar and toplink, is there a little clip to hold the top link out of the way, are the lower link ends telescoping, is the seat well sprung, where are the lights located -- will you likely knock one off doing some particular job? -- how do the headlights work if you ever plan to use it at night, etc. etc. etc.
Look carefully at the loader and bucket construction if you plan to use it a lot. That, the seat, and the lower link features finally made up my mind between two red brands. Some buckets are light duty, some are medium, others are heavy. What do you need?
As has been said you have a couple of basic no-nonsense traditional type machines in your list along with a couple of more feature laden new ones. You and only you will have to decide what you want and/or need. Those are all very good machines and any one of them will serve you well for a long time. You just have to figure out which one you like best and then don't look back.
You have the easy part completed -- finding out what's out there in your price range. Now the fun starts. After you narrow it down to one tractor or dealer, you get to think about tires -- R4, R1, or turfs, loader options, QA or not for the bucket, and so on. It took me about a year to finally decide and I'm hoping the one I got (Case DX-29, QA loader bucket, Ag tires, rear hydraulic valves, HST) won't be too big for one particular use I have for it. Enjoy the shopping!
Look carefully at the loader and bucket construction if you plan to use it a lot. That, the seat, and the lower link features finally made up my mind between two red brands. Some buckets are light duty, some are medium, others are heavy. What do you need?
As has been said you have a couple of basic no-nonsense traditional type machines in your list along with a couple of more feature laden new ones. You and only you will have to decide what you want and/or need. Those are all very good machines and any one of them will serve you well for a long time. You just have to figure out which one you like best and then don't look back.
You have the easy part completed -- finding out what's out there in your price range. Now the fun starts. After you narrow it down to one tractor or dealer, you get to think about tires -- R4, R1, or turfs, loader options, QA or not for the bucket, and so on. It took me about a year to finally decide and I'm hoping the one I got (Case DX-29, QA loader bucket, Ag tires, rear hydraulic valves, HST) won't be too big for one particular use I have for it. Enjoy the shopping!
btownacres
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Same story out here in Mass. The only larger difference I found in price was with JD and NH. I ended up with my choice for only about a grand or so more than the newer players you mention, but also managed to get a few more horses under the hood. Adding some of the extras is where you will see some more dollars start to add up, then of course there is the sales tax. But do pay attention to capacities, both lifting and hydraulic pump output. Then there are the little things like detachable buckets, mid PTO's, etc. Just try to imagine all of your needs and maybe a few others and you should make the right choice.
Pricing a tractor, and making the final deal are quite often two very different things. As has been said, the Kioties and Mahindras are offering a lot more bells and whistles, and in some cases, a lot more weight if you need that.
They're all good machines, but what do you want? I can tell you that the extras on the Kioti are things I can go for, but not everyone needs them. I like their construction and layouts, but they may not fit YOU.
Trying to compare tractors on an "even" keel is not always easy for the novice tractor buyer. There are so many things to consider that similar pricing can be very deceptive.
Over the last couple of years, Kioti and Mahindra prices have come up a little, and some of the other well-known brands have put out more economy models to try to compete.
One can often find that the differences begin to disappear when it's found out that many things, like the loader valve and joysticks may cost extra on some other brands, while Kioti, and I think Mahindra both include them. There are other examples that will bring the true pricing in to focus.
Good luck in your search and remember that your comfort and the ease of use of your tractor are the most important things you will have to live with.
John
They're all good machines, but what do you want? I can tell you that the extras on the Kioti are things I can go for, but not everyone needs them. I like their construction and layouts, but they may not fit YOU.
Trying to compare tractors on an "even" keel is not always easy for the novice tractor buyer. There are so many things to consider that similar pricing can be very deceptive.
Over the last couple of years, Kioti and Mahindra prices have come up a little, and some of the other well-known brands have put out more economy models to try to compete.
One can often find that the differences begin to disappear when it's found out that many things, like the loader valve and joysticks may cost extra on some other brands, while Kioti, and I think Mahindra both include them. There are other examples that will bring the true pricing in to focus.
Good luck in your search and remember that your comfort and the ease of use of your tractor are the most important things you will have to live with.
John
MessickFarmEqu
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As has been said, the Kioties and Mahindras are offering a lot more bells and whistles, )</font>
I'm not so sure this is the case. What "Bells and Whistles" are on a CK30 thats not on the L2800? That statement seems to be repeated over and over without anyone looking into the actual details.
I'm not so sure this is the case. What "Bells and Whistles" are on a CK30 thats not on the L2800? That statement seems to be repeated over and over without anyone looking into the actual details.
Fender mounted FEL joy-stick, telescopic sway & lift arms, slopped hood and FEL, tilt steering...just to name a few. Now I could be wronger here but I think none of those things are standard on an 2800, and some are not even offered. Of course the whole slopped hood and boom thing could be argued until the sun goes down, but I am just throwing some things out there. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
