Ant hill?

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Richard

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I stumbled onto something today and made me curious.

First, a bit of background to help understand why I'm confused.

Let's say about 5 years ago, we had the farm timbered. There was an area where they did all the cutting/loading of the timber (staging area??). This area was cleared flat to give them operating room. It's say, 500' off the road into the woods. The actual distance is not important as much as the relative distances.

Since this area was cleared out, they left and it has grown up VERY VERY thick. So thick it's almost impossible to get through without all those little thorny bushes hacking you to death.

Other day, father in law told me he heard some 4-wheelers back there (this is almost behind the houses) and I guess he saw them when he went down the road as he told me he yelled to them this was private property and they buzzed on down the road.

Today I was coming home from the co-op and for some reason, had a thought to walk down this path that they made.

Went to the top of the hill (500' in where the machinery use to be) About got hacked with all the overgrowth and stuff, but follwed their tracks.

The tracks went on a couple thousand MORE feet, WELL into the woods and actually almost behind my father in laws house.

So, we seem to have some punks who are not only trespassing but trying to make trails on the farm.

On this trail, I happened to find a plastic bag. Looked at it and it was a bag of topsoil.

That brought me back to the mound of dirt I saw about 20' prior to seeing the bag. Mound of dirt defined as possibly the contents of the bag having been dumped in a mound, 18/24 inches across.

Went to look at the mound and had a feeling in the back of my head to just kick it... then a stronger feeling to NOT do that.

Happened that there is a little sapling growing through this dirt so I just grabbed the sapling and rotated it, letting it sort of scrape the dirt around.

What I saw was darn near amazing.

Just under the top skin layer of dirt were THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of eggs along with thousands of ants that came scrambling to the top with all the commotion going on.

I've heard of some kind of ant (that is to be mildly feared?) that builds a large dirt mound on top of the ground.

I don't know if that kind of ant makes it this far north, I've never seen an ant mound larger than a 1/2 tube of toothpaste.

So, are these ants the nasty ants to be feared? did they make the mound, or might the mound be that bag of topsoil that one of these trespassers dumped there and some 'generic' ants made their home in the nice pile of dirt?

had I not found the empty bag of topsoil, I would have concluded the mound had to be dug by the ants, as it is, I simply do not know.

If it is that nasty ant that makes mounds, is there a way to kill the nest? I don't really want to go back there but I will if I can put gas/diesel/my wifes cooking or something as deadly on it :eek: :rolleyes:

Should I try to kill the nest regardless of what kind of ants they are?

I have never in my life, seen so many thousands of eggs just mixed in with the soil, much like chocolate chips inside cookie dough however it seemed there was 1 egg for every 10 piece of soil... and the zillions of ants that came storming out... other than the Science Channel or the old movie Helstrom Chronicle, I've never seen so many ants at one time.

made me keep my distance and in fact, decide to leave the area immediately.

So, any thoughts as to battle plan(s)?
 
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Sounds like fire ants. You need to do a google and read several articles to be sure. here is one Fire Ants
 
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Fire ants...I guess that's the name I was looking for. Prior to you mentioning that, I was thinking "carpenter ants" :confused: thank you for clearing that up.

I've done some reading and some of the descriptions I read (paraphrased) "scrape the dirt and you will see white larva, that's the brood" as well as "if you molest the nest, the ants will come to the top via vertical shafts" and "the ant mound will be "X" size and NO apparent hole/opening in the center as with other ant mounds"

All seem to fit exactly what I saw. hmm... guess more research and then find out what to do. perhaps if I was lucky, they nibbled on some of those trespassers!!

:D
 
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Fire ants move those little white eggs up and down inside the mound with temperature changes, so sometimes they're very near the surface; other times down quite deep. I just "treated" 4 mounds today in one of my daughter's yards by mixing about a gallon of insecticide and pouring it slowly on the mound so it has time to soak in and/or flow down the tunnels the ants have made.
 
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Fireants in Tennesse? It must be warm there right now. A queen must have floated there and that mound is what you get with one queen.
The mound is an incubator for eggs, when the temp and humidity is right there will be eggs in the mound part.
If you can kill the mound...do it.... Fireants are predators and will kill/eat anything that won't eat them first.
I use Spectricide in the bag, it works good when there are eggs in the mound, I will upset the mound and pour the pesticide on the eggs and the eggs and Queens are the most important things to the mound so when all the workers come to retrive the eggs they get a good sampling of poison and 50% of the time the mound will die....I know this is not the method most use but I like it.
 
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I'll try to take a picture of it tomorrow. My guess is, they've already fixed the damage I caused.

I'll go back (carefully now) and take a pic of the mound, then I'll wiggle it again with the sapling and unearth the top layer, I'll try to get another pic and then skedattle out of there!

is this something I should 'report' to some agencie that might want to try to control these little buggers or just try to kill the mound & move on?
 
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Richard, i would suggest getting some acephate 97%, comes uder different brands like orthene etc. Sprinkle some of the powder or granules around the ant bed about two feet out and all over the top of bed. Approximately two tablespoonsful. You can get it at most feed and seed and hardware stores. Fire ants are common all over pastures here in Fl and that seems to do the trick better than anything i have tried. Its about $16.00 for a pint sized container. It smells really bad but the workers take it to the queen and kills the colony. I wouldnt think anyone would bring ants to your property unless they were not playing with a full deck. More than likely, they may have planted some reefer out in your woods ergo the potting soil. I am sure your extension agent and sheriffs ofc would be interested in knowing what you found. Keep us posted on the results. chuck
 
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Richard said:
I'll try to take a picture of it tomorrow. My guess is, they've already fixed the damage I caused.

I'll go back (carefully now) and take a pic of the mound, then I'll wiggle it again with the sapling and unearth the top layer, I'll try to get another pic and then skedattle out of there!

is this something I should 'report' to some agencie that might want to try to control these little buggers or just try to kill the mound & move on?

I would notify the local agricultural extension service (we call them "County Agents" in Texas). They would have information on ants moving into your area and might actually do a survey and treatment. If that doesn't work, there are numerous fire ant poisons, but none of them do much more than cause the fire ants to move their mounds to another location. The latest technology looks like a virus that can actually kill them off in a 2-month time.
 
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There are ant mounds that come from species other than fire ants.
 

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