any corn/biomass stove users

   / any corn/biomass stove users #1  

farmerjim

Gold Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2005
Messages
297
Location
new london county,ct
Tractor
jd h, jd 50, jd2010,jd 790,case530hoe
i'm looking at those corn stoves as a 2nd heat source for my home, i currently have an oil burning furnace w/ radiant baseboard heat, which is getting very expensive to run, i will still need the oil for my domestic hot water and baseboards. i was thinking of the corn/biomass stove as a 2nd source of heat to try to cut down on my oil use. i have an old 1930 farm house(1800sqft) which is well insulated, if i get the stove i was planning on putting it on the 1st floor and venting it to the outside as i only have 1 chimney flue. i was wondering if this would be a sensible place for the stove, as the heat rises i figure it would heat the 2nd floor as well.another ? i have is approxmately how much corn would you burn in a typical burning season later oct thru april? getting the corn isn't a big issue as there is a farm near me that sells it, and some others that are within a short drive. i did some work for a guy who had a biomass stove and he said he went through about 2 tons of corn and about 1 ton of pellets as he mixed them together. any thoughts would be very appreciated, jim
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #2  
I think that these stoves vent through the wall, no chimney is needed. Someone that knows for sure will hopefully chime in.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #3  
Do a search--either this or the related forum had a very long thread on this subject within the past year, maybe even 6 months. I keep reading everything I see as I intend to switch from wood next year, but need to get a generator set up first, as the pellet/corn stove must have electricity to operate.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #4  
As LMTC said, they need power to operate. I had a Englander pellet stove a few years back that i could mix 50/50 with pellets and corn.
It worked O.k. I guess but I live on top of a snowy mountain and the power outages are frequent so the stove didn't really work for me. You can power vent them straight out the wall, which is how 99% of owners do it. I personally like my wood stove ALOT better. No power is needed and it heats a whole lot better than the pellet stove. Even in adjacent rooms. and in my case all the wood is free.
I will just give you the pros and cons of my pellet/corn stove.

PROS:
* Less mess then with wood or coal.
* can fill hopper and know exactly how long it will burn.
* No need for a chimney
* Shuts off automatically when empty ( but then again all stoves will do that)
* Neat appearance

CONS:

* Needs power to operate
* You are at the mercy of corn and especially pellet prices. Which went up from $1.50 a bag to $3.25 a bag in the 3 years I owned one !! at around $4.50 a bag now

* Not a whole lot of radiant heat. Will heat one lagre room well but not others.

* cleaning the ash pot can get messy

* Corn only models are still PRICEY !!!

Hope this helps you out. But, as with everything like this, some things just work better for other people because no two situations are the same.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #5  
Get yourself a battery backup for a sump pump or a larger computer UPS and use it to power the thing in the event of a power outage.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #6  
I switched to a Pellett stove from woodstove last Febuary. Here are some of the thoughts that went into my decisions.

My wood supply was free, but that would not last forever on my small property other than the occasional blowdown. It certainly was not going to be enough to meet all my needs in the future. Once you factor in the price and time to process it, there is a cost to "free' wood anyway. If you are buying wood, in addition to the cash, it still costs you a bit of time to process it(stack in woodshed, split to size). I figured if I was going to buy wood, I might as well purchase wood that was already processed. Moves easilly, no real mess in the house, no bugs, ect... Factoring in all things, including the extra electricity, I think I am about even using pellets without the physical effort of processing the wood.

The pellet heats pretty well, but it isn't the deep radiant heat that the woodstove gave. There is also the noise to consider. These stoves typically have 2 blowers and a auger motor. Some are quieter than others so this is an important point to look at when deciding.

Power was also a concern. Woodstove didn't need it so power failures were never a big issue to me other than keeping the food cold. Typical pellet stove uses about 450 Watts under normal operation(700-900 watts during automatic startup). That would require a VERY large UPS to run any length of time. I have a 500VA(watt) UPS on my woodstove and it is only good for about 5 minutes of normal runtime. Enough to carry over and protect the controller from a small power hit or give me enough time to perform a normal shutdown if the power goes out completely. Also most modern UPS's won't startup unless they have valid 120VAC input power, even if their batteries are fully charged, so comming home to a dark cold house and starting up the pellett on the UPS is not an option. A better option might be an inverter, but that way also has issues. 450 Watts is a current draw of 3.75 amps at 120VAC. Using a 12VDC-120VAC Inverter, that is in excess of 40 amps of current draw from the 12VDC source, once you factor in the inverter efficiency. A typical car battery will net you about 40-50 Amp hours of capacity so in theory you are only going to run that stove for an hour on a fully charged car battery. Unfortunatly, a 40 amp draw is way in excess of the standard amp/hour rateing which is based on a draw over a 20 hour time period(2-2.5A) so you will lose a lot of energy to internal resistance of the battery(battery will generate heat). The high draw also shortens battery life. How you going to recharge the battery in an hour? There are some stoves out there that run on 12VDC motors and use a 120VAC power supply to feed this need when comm power is available. They are more easilly and more efficiently configured for 12VDC backup operation. If your power supply is in doubt, probably best to have a small genset on tap. This has the added benefit of giving you some light as well as some other creature comforts during a power failure(such as keeping the food cold).
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #7  
RonMar said:
... Typical pellet stove uses about 450 Watts under normal operation(700-900 watts during automatic startup). ...

I didn't realize they used that much power. That's over 1/2 HP under normal operation and a full 1HP at startup.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #8  
I agree with Ron, the UPS would only last a few minutes and if you REALLY need heat during a power outage the only real way to operate a pellet stove ( or any stove that requires power) is to get a portable generator and run it off of that..
Like i said before. pellet stove are a great choice for some people and not so great for others... I would still think even if you had to buy your wood for a wood stove it would still have to be cheaper than buying pellets. i guess it would all depend on the burn times of the pellets and burn times of the wood, and the price of each...
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #9  
I bought mine this fall so still don't have a full years comparison. Kept the wood burner as a backup, but last month it saved $125 compared to last years bill at the ave. temp. within 2 degrees compared to my elec heating bill. Mine is an American Harvest by USSC and the only time I use pellets is to throw a handful in to start it. Then it's all corn. There are good and bad points to everything. Stove prices of the same brand and model vary quite a bit from dealer to dealer. A good site to look at is Iburncorn.com.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #10  
I've run an older corn stove for the past few years, get my corn from a farmer so the cost is rather good. We would use about 4 ton up here for a season. I have burned wood for 30 years, and you can definitely get more heat faster with a wood fire. That said, as time sneaks up on us, the corn stove looks better all the time. It is much steadier and requires alot less tending.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #11  
4 tons of corn in a season? How do you go about storing it?
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users
  • Thread Starter
#12  
thanks for the replys. unfortunately for me wood isn't really an option although we have a good size woodlot, i would need an outside furnace to heat w/ wood as my house/basement isn't really conducive to an inside wood stove. i have looked into those but right now way out of my affordability. since i would be buying the corn direct from the farm, the price is better than pre bagged. storing isn't really that much of a problem either. i did a job for a guy who had 2 3yd rolling dumpsters he had filled w/ corn for his stove, so that may be a storage option. another storage option i was looking at was a used grain hopper or one of those newer poly hoppers, in the 1-1.5 ton capacity as you could fill them fairly easily w/out an auger because of height. or you just go to the farm and fill a few 55gal drums at a time.
 
   / any corn/biomass stove users #13  
farmerjim said:
thanks for the replys. unfortunately for me wood isn't really an option although we have a good size woodlot, i would need an outside furnace to heat w/ wood as my house/basement isn't really conducive to an inside wood stove. i have looked into those but right now way out of my affordability. since i would be buying the corn direct from the farm, the price is better than pre bagged. storing isn't really that much of a problem either. i did a job for a guy who had 2 3yd rolling dumpsters he had filled w/ corn for his stove, so that may be a storage option. another storage option i was looking at was a used grain hopper or one of those newer poly hoppers, in the 1-1.5 ton capacity as you could fill them fairly easily w/out an auger because of height. or you just go to the farm and fill a few 55gal drums at a time.

2nd season of my using a corn burner, Country Flame Harvester - I would never look back at the decision. Savings on LPG has been phenomenal. Heats the whole 2400 sq ft log cabin w/loft. I have cut my LPG budget to 25 per month from 225.

I use Rubber-maid totes (5 dollar), large Rubber-maid trash cans (4), horse trough and rotate the clean corn in these and then bring into the house. Eventually, I may buy a larger farm style storage silo but it is not necessary. My thoughts are the more you spend, the less that you have saved.

Buy a good reliable stove & install properly
empty ash pan daily - clean stove weekly
enjoy
:)

Research I Burn Corn Homepage - all stoves are not created equal - everyone wants your money.

There is a short learning curve with cleaning, draft etc but it's not difficult - I can do it :rolleyes:

There now are several corn furnaces on the market that have larger hoppers, more btu and are seamless with your heating system. Our cabin is open concept with loft and I do not have problems heating it and keeping it at a comfortable level (70+). I live in corn country and am surrounded by corn. I have all of the free wood on my property that I could ever use but for the house and 24/7 heat, I'm a firm corn believer. For the barn/workshop, I may burn wood for the occasional warm up but not for continual use heat. If you averaged it out, last year I spent 1 - 2 dollars per day to heat the house on cold days that required heat. This year, I may spend 2-3 dollars per day but that is only on the days that I need the heat. This winter (so far) has been mild, I've cut back on the draft and have cut my corn usage considerably.

Good Luck
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2003 PETERBUILT PB330 DUMP TRUCK (A58375)
2003 PETERBUILT...
2019 Deere 550K (A53317)
2019 Deere 550K...
2006 CATERPILLAR 420E BACKHOE (A59823)
2006 CATERPILLAR...
378721 (A54865)
378721 (A54865)
excavator trenching bucket- one bucket per lot (A56438)
excavator...
YanMar SV40 Mini Excavator
YanMar SV40 Mini...
 
Top