Anyone recognize this Flail mower?

/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #1  
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So this junker followed me home from the Hudson Auction. The engine is seized and it needs some blades. But I scored it for $35- yes, a gamble! I have an engine ready to go on it, and need another project:confused2: Does anyone know year, make, and model?? Just wondering... This info would be interesting, but not necessary! Thanks!!:D
 

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/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #2  
I can help you but you must be living up to your name :thumbsup: It looks like it might be the first one ever made :D Let us know how the project goes...
 
/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #3  
You lucky dog I want it;

You appear to have a towed motorised Mott mower with an electric start Wisconsin Engine minus the battery and battery retainer.

That flail mower model was towed in 1-2-3-4-5 mower wide tows behind tractors and Jeeps as a matter of doing business killing brush.


I would not change the Wisconsin engine just repair it as it is sized properly for the mower width and rotor operating speed, and please remove the absolutely hideos butts ugly rusted pink panther paint job and return it to its former yellow glory sir if you would.

You will need to add belt guards as the flailmower was built before guarding became mandatory in the late 1960's


Please be sure to replace the shock absorber as well as it did its job of protecting the frame as the mower engine is very heavy by itself and it also protected the flailmower wheel frame.
 
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/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #4  
Posting to tag this thread.

That's quite a contraption you have there. Please keep the pictures coming :thumbsup:
 
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Thanks very much for the info!! I will surely take pictures of the resurrection process! Any thoughts as to guards? Thanks!!
 
/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #7  
Thanks very much for the info!! I will surely take pictures of the resurrection process! Any thoughts as to guards? Thanks!!

About guarding for your mower;

You need to guard the blower housing and exposed shaft of the Wisconsin engine first as they cannot be exposed.


You would be able to build a steel mesh cage to cover the engine where you can cover the blower end and prevent a hand from entering from the top or sides.



You have a combination drive with a drive line, V belt pullies and and a snubber pulley.

First you need to build a frame to mount the guard for the driveline itself.

The guard needs to be to be made of solid sheet metal creating a 3 sided box to cover the driveline from the engine to the steel weldment where the pulleys are located.

You will need to install two pieces of strap iron along the bottom of the sheet metal box to secure the box to the mower at the steel plate where the pulleys are located and cover the drive line.


The belt pulleys need to be fulley covered and you can weld small pieces of angle iron to the plate to anchor the sheet metal guard.

I would use a fine thread Allen bolt tapped into the tabs welded on the steel mounting plate and use blue Loctite to secure the fine threaded bolts.

I would use grade 8 Allen bolts and Allen lock washers as they are easier to use and will not break or get worn off like hex head bolts can.
 
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Thanks for the great ideas, Leonz! The guards will be much safer- but are there other reasons for guarding? For example, will weeds get wrapped up and fowl the belt? Just wondering:confused:
 
/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #9  
Reasons for adding the proper guarding:


1. Rug rats of the two and four legged variety

2. weeds and brush getting caught within the blower housing
plugging the cooling air flow- Be sure to remove ALL I mean ALL
the tin work to get rid of any mice nests and dirt that is baked
on the cooling fins.

3. reread number one again.


4. insurance and umbrella liability if the neighbor kid is fascinated by
spinning objects like pin wheels and assuming your pulleys and blower
housing are just like pin wheels.

5. reread number one again


6. the potential for a fire hazard/brush fire from debris geting wedged in and
around the pulleys

7. IF IN ANY WAY YOU CAN PLACE A FINGER OR A HAND UNDER OR THROUGH
YOUR GUARDING AFTER YOU INSTALL IT THE THE CLEARANCES ARE TOO
LARGE AS NO BODY PART NO MATTER HOW SMALL SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF
TOUCHING THE PROPELLER SHAFT OR THE STUB SHAFT IN FRONT OF THE
FAN SHIELD WHICH IS EXPOSED.

a. This engine may have an updated fan shroud housing that may cover the
stub shaft; you can find out if it does quickly if the Identification plate is
still intact or if you can forward a picture of the engine to them to identify
it.

Find a good tin knocker/sheet metal shop, and leave the mower with them after you give that thing a good cleaning and have them make a box guard
for everything from the bell housing back to the pulley weldment.

You can install grease hoses from the pulley bearings to the the exterior of the box guard and simply secure them with loom clamps with the bolt heads
tack welded to the box and use nylock nuts to secure the grease hoses within the loom clamps.

After you get it home you can tear the motor down and rebuild it at you leisure. And most likely it has an oil bath air cleaner and that will be the best ir cleaner for the flail mower.



I would not, I repeat not use the old fuel tank as most likely the the brazed fitting exiting the tank to the carbureator has a hair line crack in it I have been there and done that with a 30 year old briggs tank.

You will need to install a new gravity feed tank and bracket or if possible see if a replacement tank is available from the Wisconsin Engine folks or purchase a good substitute from them to replace the old tank


Reread number one again.

Please remove the disgusting paint job and repaint it with the Mott Mower yellow to bring it back to its original beauty.
 
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Thanks again for the additional info, leonz! I very much appreciate your effort and knowledge! Do you suppose there were any guards on the front and back for the blades?
 
/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #11  
Thanks again for the additional info, leonz! I very much appreciate your effort and knowledge! Do you suppose there were any guards on the front and back for the blades?


The flail mower rotor will slice the grass and lift it up and over the flail mower rotor and let it drop back down to the ground.

As you are standing on the left side of the mower-the blower side of the engine the rotation of the flail mower rotor will be clockwise.


The curved mower shroud which aids the aerodynamic suction created by the Y blades/grass slicers have enough of an arc that the grass and brush will only travel over the rotor to the rear and down making it a very safe mower.

Adding a rubber flap to the rear of the housing will only aid in plugging the mower housing as the clippings will build up quickly.


You can add rubber flap of stiff rubber conveyor belting to the front with the aid of 2 pieces of thin strap iron and be sure to place the strap iron forward enough to be out of the orbit of the grass slicer knives as the head of the bolt or the nylock nut could be struck with a grass slicer knive

Use grade 8 Allen bolts and 2 Allen Spring washers when installing the strap iron and belting with each bolt as the allen bolts will be easier to tighten from the outer side of the shroud.

If you have a ratchet box end wrench set you can place the Allen bolt heads on the exterior of the shroud and simply tighten the bolt by hand or with an allen socket wrench sized for bolt head-measure bolt lengths three times install once.

Please purchase a pair of very heavy duty shocks to replace the originals as you have a mower without a rear roller as the shocks help to keep it level and centered while mowing to reduce all the bouncing and posssible scalping on good turf and also reduce the strain on the side weldments of the mower shroud where the tires are.

Now about the tires and wheels:

Please at your convenience remove one wheel and bearing if it cooperates-if not we will get to the issue; The stub shafts most likely have a washer and a cotter pin holding the wheel in place.

The problem is bearing life with the small flailmowers as the rims go bad before you realise it as it does in our case with a pick up mower which collects the clippings.

If the wheels are in good shape and the bores are not egg shaped you can purchase ball bearings to match them and the grease fittings are tucked the hub and hopefully exposed.

The problem is the bearing life as the small flailmowers will log hundreds of miles of travel per week due to the small tire and rim size if larghe areas are mowed.

The bearings are a press fit in the wheels as rule and can be popped out with a long punch normally and replaced easily as long as you put the bearings in the freezer overnight as they will slip in the wheel bore and simply let them warm up before installing them on the stub shaft.

If you can keep the wheels and replace the tires plan on changing the wheel bearings twice a season (depending on mowing time and acreages) as you will mow all the time once you have the engine rebuilt and rotor bearing replaced.

We went to a new tire and wheel and heavy roller bearings to replace our originals due to the wieght of the mower when empty and loaded with grass clippings- we have to have the hitch reinforced as it has a bend in it.


The main rotor bearings will be easy to replace and maintain and I will get into that a bit later when you have closer more defined pictures.

FYI the rotor bearings if intact will have the ID numbers and size on the inner race wide edge and you will need to use the same type of bearing which is a bearing sealed on one side typically.



All bearings are metric and it will be easy to replace the old bearings.
You can replace the original wheels and bearings with better ones if you desire to do so and I can help you with that as I have an excellent supplier for tires, wheels, and bearings.

You most likely will find severe checking on the side walls and cracking of the rubber most likely.


Awaiting more photos from you
 
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It is moving closer to the shop!! Just a couple more reel mower, generator, shed, dock, sap house, chimney, terrace projects to complete...
Thanks again for the thought and insight!!:drink:
 

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/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #13  
pretty cool like "project"!!! Good luck with it :thumbsup:
 
/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #14  
It is moving closer to the shop!! Just a couple more reel mower, generator, shed, dock, sap house, chimney, terrace projects to complete...
Thanks again for the thought and insight!!:drink:

If you change your mind about rebuilding it I will
gladly purchase it from you.


Thanks much

leonz
 
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Well, It is in the shop! But the tear down was grim.:( Seems like it overheated- the pistons are broke to the top ring, and there is no ring visible on the one piston, and there is shrapnel damage on the head and piston crown. Could have been run with that mouse nest in there... Note that one exhaust valve is stuck open higher than the other- it probably was run with that valve sticking, and the cam hammers it open further- saw that on a generator a while back. These Wisconsin twins will run on one cylinder. That is the top end!
 

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Now for the horror of the bottom end! There is evidence that it has sat outside in the rain for a LONG time- Look at those rusted cylinder fins! Water has been sitting in the air cleaner base- the stud was very rusted and twisted off by hand. The drain plug was pulled- no oil- but 2 gallons of water!:licking: You can see in the 3rd picture the rusty main bearing and the water line, which is above the rod bearings. Everything is corroded Tightly together! This engine is scrap. Fortunately, there is another to take its place!

Thanks for following along !! More to come...
 

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Well, got it up and running!:thumbsup: It starts on the first or second crank, and runs well! Mowed a path to the field that was to be mowed, but after a bit, one rotor bearing began smoking- Alot!:( Oh well, back to the shop. Not a bad showing for the first time out! The pictures are after loading up- didn't remember to get any in action... Flails are neat!!
 

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/ Anyone recognize this Flail mower? #18  
Hello Ponderingjunkman,

I ma glad the "new to you" Flail Mower
is working well for you.

Sorry to hear about the bearing,
but as you are this far along you
need to replace both bearings
to assure that you have no
further issues with it.

If you require replacement grass slicer
knives you can obtain them from
Flail Master and other suppliers.



I wish to welcome you "The Flail Mower Nation" as a new member.


_________________________________________________________________

Once you go flail you never go back:thumbsup::licking::drool:
 
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Thanks, Leon! The flails are neat! Those bearings will be changed and we'll be back in action soon. Thanks for the encouragement and advice!:thumbsup:
 
 

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