Arcane Tax Rules

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Chuck52

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Since someone else brought up equipment depreciation in another thread, I thought I'd open it up for a general discussion of some of the neat rules we all live or die by, thanks to the IRS. I'd like to start with the one that snuck up and bit me this year.

We're in the process of becoming empty nesters....the last one goes off to college this fall. We've been losing deductions over the last few years and having fun trying to keep witholding somewhere close to what Uncle Sugar thinks we owe him for all the goodies we get./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif So there I am a couple weeks ago, filling out the dreaded forms and feeling a bit optimistic because of higher interest paid on the new property when <font color=red>ZAP</font color=red> , I suddenly realise my last baby turned 17 in August and the nice extra $600 child credit no longer applies. Now, I know, it's right there in black and white, or whatever colors the $^%& thing happens to be printed in, but I guess it's just the total lack of logic about that rule that got me. I mean <font color=red>why 17?</font color=red> Does anyone anywhere really believe a kid is cheaper to keep at 17 than at 16? What happens magically at 17, besides this tax thing anyway? They start driving at 16. Most graduate from highschool at about 18. At 17, most of them are still with us old folks. Did some committee get together, half of whom wanted 16 and half wanting 18, so they compromised? Or did they all just bend over, reach into their collective nether regions, and pull 17 out?

Anyone else got one?

Chuck
 
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<font color=blue>turned 17 in August and the nice extra $600 child credit no longer applies.</font color=blue>

Huh? I've always assumed the $600 dependant deduction has to do with the amount of support you provide, not their age. For example, if you have a parent living with you and you're responsible for providing over half their support you can claim them as a deduction.
 
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Mike,

This is not the dependent deduction, but the extra child credit you get to take right off your tax. For some reason, if the child is 17 before the end of the year he/she no longer qualifies. Now, one can argue about why we even have such manipulations, adjustments, whatever, but it would at least be nice if there were <font color=red>some</font color=red> logic involved./w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

Chuck
 
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<font color=blue>Why 17?</font color=blue>

At work we call this "PES": Posterior Extraction Synthesis.

Dave
 
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Ah, now I understand. I let TurboTax figure that stuff out. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Mike,

As a salaried geek, with a salaried wife, my taxes are usually so straight forward the only benefit I get from the tax programs is not having to write stuff so that other people can read it. In fact, I sometimes think that my lousy handwriting, and even hand printing, may come in handy. If I was ever audited, not only can I claim total ignorance about the "rules", they'd have to trust my interpretation of what I wrote!

Chuck
 
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Chuck,

Trust a US citizen!! As far as the IRS is concerned, no one is ignorant of the "rules". Goes both ways.... positively or negatively! /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif If you mess up and short the IRS, you will get a nastygram. If you mess up and it's in the favor of the IRS, they kinda forget to tell you.... /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

One of the nice features of the software packages is that they guide you through the process and point out any possible errors or red flags. They may also point out some possible tax savings. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Terry
 
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<font color=blue>If you mess up and short the IRS, you will get a nastygram. If you mess up and it's in the favor of the IRS, they kinda forget to tell you....</font color=blue>
I am not supporting the IRS this is just FYI - disclaimer!
I overpaid my 1998 taxes by $200 dollars. (error in how much est. tax I paid the IRS/w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif) I quickly got a letter and a refund check stating my error!
 
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Hmmm.... I guess I needed to be a little more clear.

What mistakes or errors of omission I was refering to were the ones that aren't so obvious. The IRS only checks the information you provide. It's pretty easy to overlook some of the IRS provisions if you don't know what you're looking for or at for that matter.

In regards to the TurboTax/Taxcut software, you're prompted with some leading questions and the applications go to the next step based upon your answer. This can be a good thing and a bad thing. If you enter the wrong info, it can be disasterous. However, the application is graceful enough to allow you to make corrections later on. Very forgiving!!

Terry
 
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I understand now! You would like to IRS to find your max deductions and notify you of them!!! I believe I will settle for them only checking the information I provide. Not sure I want to hand over all info even if they would find my max returns.
After all they are the IRS /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif They know more about me than I do! /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif
 

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