B3350 Prediction Confirmed

[SDT]

This week I learned that, as predicted, the mechanically injected 1.5 L 4 cylinder engine used in the B3350, F series and high end ZTR mowers is being replaced with a common rail design. This should eliminate issues with regeneration just as Kubota has apparently resolved such.

I've expected this for some time but it is occurring more quickly than expected.

Nothing regarding timing yet, but the introduction appears imminent.

Stay tuned.

SDT

 

[chim]

That makes me wonder if Kubota will be making more / all smaller tractors in the manner of Mahindra. Their CRD design eliminates almost all the Tier IV junk. They do have a catalytic converter but that doesn't scare me. I visited a Massey Ferguson dealer to look at a pre Tier IV Kioti a couple weeks ago and he told me MF is coming out with a CRD similar to the Mahindra.

I've been struggling with what path to take on buying another tractor with around 40HP and A/C. There are a number of approaches under consideration. Can go new or used. All involve avoiding DPF and DEF and replacing one of our current tractors.

 

[diesel85]

Interesting!

I hope they do something by 2020. Because that will be when I'll be in the market for an "upgrade".

Though, I am strongly considering the L series (~40hp), but I am wondering what that will mean by then.

A lot can happen in 2 years.

 

[SDT]

That makes me wonder if Kubota will be making more / all smaller tractors in the manner of Mahindra. Their CRD design eliminates almost all the Tier IV junk. They do have a catalytic converter but that doesn't scare me. I visited a Massey Ferguson dealer to look at a pre Tier IV Kioti a couple weeks ago and he told me MF is coming out with a CRD similar to the Mahindra.

I've been struggling with what path to take on buying another tractor with around 40HP and A/C. There are a number of approaches under consideration. Can go new or used. All involve avoiding DPF and DEF and replacing one of our current tractors.

The Tier IV nonsense is a federal regulation. It cannot be "eliminated.

That said, a manufacturer must only meet the emissions requirement. The federales do not dictate how this must be done (at least not yet). Some manufacturers have temporarily been able to buy (or use unused) "credits" to comply with the regulations but this is a stop-gap strategy at best. It is my understanding that both Mahindra and AGCO/MF have done this. Don't know if they are still able to do so.

The B3350 change is evolutionary. Until now (soon), the B3350 engine has been the only Kubota engine using mechanical injection rather than common rail.

SDT

 

[bunyip]

I wonder how the change will affect the price, CRD pump should be cheaper than mechanical but the injectors are outrageously expensive plus the new electronics to run them.
I found this out when I needed to replace injectors on my 4WD, old mechanicals were about $60 each, CRD $1200 each.

 

[SDT]

I wonder how the change will affect the price, CRD pump should be cheaper than mechanical but the injectors are outrageously expensive plus the new electronics to run them.
I found this out when I needed to replace injectors on my 4WD, old mechanicals were about $60 each, CRD $1200 each.

Who knows.

My prediction is that Kubota will release the replacement engine with a bit more HP and release the tractor with a replacement model number reflecting the increased HP.

This way, they can distance the replacement from the somewhat trouble prone B3350.

Stay tuned.

SDT

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

That makes me wonder if Kubota will be making more / all smaller tractors in the manner of Mahindra. Their CRD design eliminates almost all the Tier IV junk. They do have a catalytic converter but that doesn't scare me. I visited a Massey Ferguson dealer to look at a pre Tier IV Kioti a couple weeks ago and he told me MF is coming out with a CRD similar to the Mahindra.

I've been struggling with what path to take on buying another tractor with around 40HP and A/C. There are a number of approaches under consideration. Can go new or used. All involve avoiding DPF and DEF and replacing one of our current tractors.

Kubota has been working on that engine for awhile now, I'd guess its a year out. What Mahindra has is just marketing speak. Its a DOC only engine, many companies use them. Its 90% the same thing as a DPF, its just continuously burning rather than cycling. Kubota has made DOC only engines for years but does not seem to what to put them in tractor applications, likely because of the higher temperatures they run at.

 

[TimP]

Too bad it wasn't out last month. I was ready to buy a brand new 3350 until I started reading all the problems with the 3350 regen.

I ended up buying a used B3000 instead so I didn't have to deal with the problems. :.(

 

[BubbaJr]

Too bad it wasn't out last month. I was ready to buy a brand new 3350 until I started reading all the problems with the 3350 regen.

I ended up buying a used B3000 instead so I didn't have to deal with the problems. :.(

Same here, I was all set to buy a 3350 until I read about the regeneration issues. So I bought my 2650 instead. I still don't understand the rationale behind burning more fuel to save the environment. Typical government meddling. :thumbsdown:

 

[MHarryE]

I was surprised by the cost quoted for injectors because I have several common rail injectors on a shelf where I display failed parts. So I checked the injector price between my old L5740 with low pressure mechanical injectors and my L6060 with a common rail having electronic injectors. It is about $250 for the L5740 injectors and $650 for the L6060 injectors. My L6060 uses about half the fuel of the L5740 but at the low consumption of either will take a lot of hours to make up the cost difference; however, I bought the L6060 primarily for the cleaner air due to my wife’s asthma problem and that is a huge difference. I notice it too even in the cab.