Backhoe Backhoe hydraulics choice
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Steve_in_Ont
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Generally, the primary thing to look at is Gallons Per Minute (GPM) and Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI). GPM indicates how fast the BH will dig, and PSI indicates how hard it will dig. Compare the specs of the separate system to that of your tractor.
Additionally, each BH ought to have specs that provide the actual digging force that is generated.
Additionally, each BH ought to have specs that provide the actual digging force that is generated.
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Hi Bomak welcome to the forum:
This spring I purchased a new New Holland TC29 and had it equipped with a new Woods 7500 Backhoe. This time around I went with the hydrs. plumbed into the tractors, with quick disconnects. This was after years of having the 3pt pump on my older kubota and hoe, wear out both the splines on my pto shaft and one entire pump. you see the pto shaft supports all of the weight of the pump. There are braces or chains the keep the pump from rotating, but they don't support the weight. So between the the inertia placed on it by the rotating pto shaft and torque applied by the hydraulic operations its always trying to run offcenter. you are also adding the weight of the extra hydr. reservoir and oil behind the axle. And the vents for these added tanks are very prone to pickup extra dirt, mud, water, etc.
Of course there are two disadvantages to having it plumbed into my tractors hydraulic system. The snap connectors are hard to reach and you have to make sure that you keep them clean. Can I live with that, you betcha!
Asks your Kubota dealer I'm sure he can have that Woods hoe plumbed directly into the tractors hydraulics. It sounds like he might be trying to make a couple of extra dollars by selling you the pto pump kit instead of the straight plumbing.
I think you will be happy with the Woods 7500 BH. It is powerful and rugged, yet easy to handle. I don't know what youre uses will be, but I would suggest the 12" bucket for trenching or stumping. And the 16 or 18" buckets for digging larger areas.
Good luck on your new purchase and happy hoeing.
This spring I purchased a new New Holland TC29 and had it equipped with a new Woods 7500 Backhoe. This time around I went with the hydrs. plumbed into the tractors, with quick disconnects. This was after years of having the 3pt pump on my older kubota and hoe, wear out both the splines on my pto shaft and one entire pump. you see the pto shaft supports all of the weight of the pump. There are braces or chains the keep the pump from rotating, but they don't support the weight. So between the the inertia placed on it by the rotating pto shaft and torque applied by the hydraulic operations its always trying to run offcenter. you are also adding the weight of the extra hydr. reservoir and oil behind the axle. And the vents for these added tanks are very prone to pickup extra dirt, mud, water, etc.
Of course there are two disadvantages to having it plumbed into my tractors hydraulic system. The snap connectors are hard to reach and you have to make sure that you keep them clean. Can I live with that, you betcha!
Asks your Kubota dealer I'm sure he can have that Woods hoe plumbed directly into the tractors hydraulics. It sounds like he might be trying to make a couple of extra dollars by selling you the pto pump kit instead of the straight plumbing.
I think you will be happy with the Woods 7500 BH. It is powerful and rugged, yet easy to handle. I don't know what youre uses will be, but I would suggest the 12" bucket for trenching or stumping. And the 16 or 18" buckets for digging larger areas.
Good luck on your new purchase and happy hoeing.
Good point Kodiak, my Kubota dealer recommends the independent system based on a possible BH hydraulic system catastrophic leak. Says at least the tractors system would be intact and one could drive home after wrestling off the dead BH. Odds of a catastrophic leak very small, eventual PTO wear & tear is for certain. I'm in for the long haul so thanks for the advice.
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Bomack -- I have a Woods 7500 with subframe on my Kubota L3010HST and opted for the hydraulic quick connect over the PTO pump. Never heard the line about the catastrophic failure...interesting sales pitch. The L3010 hydraulics have more than enough capacity to run the hoe (in fact, I typically throttle down to about 1800-2000 rpm when using mine -- and as I recall the JD has even more capacity. So you'll be fine with either tractor.
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In the twenty plus years that I had my pto pump operated Kubota BH. Twice I experianced hose failures on the pressure side, that drained the remote reservoir. This was quite a problem as that backhoe was not easily removed. Required a come along to be able to raise the boom before you could move. In both cases the the hoses broke next to fittings at the pump. It appeared they were weakened by the out of balance oscillations from the pump.
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Hmmm. Hadn't heard the "keep the backhoe hydraulics separate" argument before. I've got the Woods 6500 hoe with the independent hydraulics. In my case, I didn't have a choice because I have a little B7300 - too weak of a system to power a hoe. However, it works great - I love watching the home improvement shows where they talk about how much work it is to dig a hole to plant a tree /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.
But my comment is that it would be a real trick to remove the hoe if the hydraulics went on it, so I don't think I buy the argument about separating the hydraulic systems. As long as your tractor produces high enough pressure and flow it probably doesn't matter. But the PTO pump does work just fine, too.
Backhoes are great fun - everyone should have one /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif...Chris
But my comment is that it would be a real trick to remove the hoe if the hydraulics went on it, so I don't think I buy the argument about separating the hydraulic systems. As long as your tractor produces high enough pressure and flow it probably doesn't matter. But the PTO pump does work just fine, too.
Backhoes are great fun - everyone should have one /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif...Chris
