Backhoe Backhoe lift capacity??

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JoeR

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I have a BH-90 and the documents states it has 3,000lb+ digging force, and only 700lb of lift? How is that possible?

Today, I tried to lift 1800lbs with it and found the dipper stick would move 1800lbs, but the boom would not move. Does that sound right?

Thanks,

Joe
 
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The term "Force" is the difference. Force is ft lb. Lifts is measured in lb.
 
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Hanging a lot of weight on the end of your backhoe if it's extended or swung off-center creates a potentially serious balance problem, so the lifting capacity is limited to lessen the risk of an upset. And with the BH mounted, your tractor is back-heavy to begin with, so they probably don't want us owners driving around with lots more weight slung on the hoe either. There is a warning about lifting in the operator's manual for my Kubota hoe.
 
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I don't have a BH but I'm thinkin' I read that BH is not to be used as a crane.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't have a BH but I'm thinkin' I read that BH is not to be used as a crane. )</font>


This is true! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif But as a tractor owner, you know we try to use it for everything. I just have to test the tractor to find its limitations... I think I found one.

Overall, I was trying to lift a piece of metal off the back of a 16' trailer. After having the metal suspended, I had the trailer pull out from underneath the metal, and set it back down on the ground. Little movement, just a lot of weight. I ended up using the LA 853 FEL and it did fine with the weight.

Joe
 
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The FEL seems the more logical and safer way.
 
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I don't want to seem like a pain but I did teach this stuff in school for a while. Force and thrust and load are in pounds. When you multiply the force times a distance, you get foot pounds. Torque or moment are terms for that.

When a claim is made for a tractor's breakout or max digging force, the situation they are describing is where the FEL or backhoe bucket is pivoting about it's back edge. The hydraulic cylinders put a huge torque into the bucket, the back edge presses down hard against the ground, and there is big upforce available at the teeth. But raised off the ground, the down force moves much further away (like under the tires or stabilizers) so the upforce at the edge of the bucket is much less.

Another example might be to imagine carrying a 5-gallon pail of water along with your arm hanging straight down. You could reasonably easily raise it a couple inches at your wrist. But if you held your arm out straight, the torque at your shoulder would be pretty uncomfortable. Your whole frame would have to adjust.

As usual, prompt cheerful refund if unclear, confusing, misleading or otherwise bogus /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Take care, Dick B
 
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The BH is designed more to pry and dig, not so much for lifting and carrying. The FEL is just the reverse. Sure, you can do some of each with either attachment but they are not interchangeable. You will carry 1800 lbs. much safer and easier in your 853 loader.
 
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rbargeron ---The good old Statics class. Now that was easy and fun too. It is amazing the moments and toques on little things with a small angle or distance. Never mind the forces.

Basically if you try to hang about 700 lbs on the BH, you better have some large force on the front end. Since the 700 will get very large over the tractor distance. The FEL should also aid in this also.

I remember getting into a battle of this about 6 to 8 months ago in some forum about FEL stress on front axle.
 

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