Bandsaws and coldsaws

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I need a fast quiet way of cutting steel tubing, flat bar and angle iron in my shop. Currently I have 2 abrasive chop saws, a dry cut saw with shop made outfeed table, a horizontal bandsaw and the newest addition is a baleigh cold saw.

With my dry cut saw and outfeed table I can grab a piece of tubing off the metal rack, line it up to a specific length on the back gauge, lock in the vice and cut to length in under 10 seconds. The chop saws while fast are much too loud and messy for the shop's daily cutting requirements.

It takes 30 seconds for the bandsaw to cut through 1 1/4" x 16ga round tube where as it takes 1.3 seconds for my dry cut chop saw. My first question is are all horizontal bandsaws very slow like mine? In searching the internet it seems most people prefer a bandsaw handsdown over any other method of cutting. People on the interent claim the bandsaw is nice because you can start cutting and walk away while it cuts. Let me say this if there is enough time to walk away from the saw while its cutting then that saw is taking too long and slowing production down! My dry cut saw is so fast there would be no time to walk away and come back before you have to set up for the next cut.

I do on average 150 cuts per day of all different lengths which makes my bandsaw WAY to slow. I like the bandsaw though for its quiet noise level and clean cuts. Are there any bandsaws that are faster?

Recently I purchased a baleigh cold saw and it's living up to my expectations cutting fast, precise and very quiet compared to my chop saws. I am new to cold saws and never used one prior to this. The only thing I dont like about it is the mess you get with the coolant.
How hazardous is the coolant soaking into my hands all day and breathing the fumes burning off from welding? Even if I wipe down the outside of the tubing there will still be plenty of coolant on the inside to make fumes when welding.
Here is the msds on the coolant I am using. I called the company about it and their answer was they dont know whats in it and that plenty of welders use it. That response does not satisfy me. I want to know what I'm breathing using this product frequently.
http://metal.baileighindustrial.com/media/uploads/manuals/baileigh-coolant-msds.pdf
 
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What Brand and model is the bandsaw ??? Teeth per inch ( TPI ) will also make a difference although you have a certain range on TPI to select from anyway for metal .

Fred H.
 
   / Bandsaws and coldsaws #3  
Looks to be just alcohol to speed evaporation for cooling and a detergent for wetting. Not likely to be a huge health risk from the fumes. Cleaning with Acetone or other degreaser should remove the soap and any other contaminates. Just about anything you put on is going to leave some residue though.
 
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While tooth sizes and faster speeds can speed up a bandsaw some, I don't think any bandsaw is going to match the speed of your cold saw. BUT. how often do you need to change blades on your cold saw?. Band saw blades can last a long time, are very quiet and stay pretty cool. I am sure that your cold saw with the lubiricant will last much longer than those without. But they are just two different things and the cold saw makes much bigger chips. I prefer the bandsaw, but I am not needing to make the number of cuts like you are either.
 
   / Bandsaws and coldsaws #5  
I use a dry cut machine that uses air assist to blow away chips. The model 1600 Ellis is my choice. Portable, cuts angles, and is very accurate. A nice package for around the twenty five hundred mark.
 
   / Bandsaws and coldsaws #6  
IMO, horizontal band saws are for cutting heavy material. The 16 ga tubing that you are cutting is a waist of time in a band saw. Try cutting that 1 1/4" in solid stock and then tell me which saw you prefer. There is a proper tool for just about everything, and IMO a bandsaw is the wrong tool for light material. When I say light, I mean anything less than 1/4" wall.

JMO, others will vary. ;)
 
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Thanks for the helpful info! I am impressed with the ellis 1600 from watching this youtube video. It is a very nice machine and I like how there is no messing with coolant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q__v4g3b5-4

My bandsaw is just a cheap one from harbor freight and it is very slow, but I can definately work with the speed of the ellis seeing it cut in the video. I mostly cut 16 ga tubing, 1/8" angle iron and up to 1/4" flat bar. I want to make a bandsaw work for the shop. Maybe I need to upgrade my bandsaw.
 
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I've been very pleased with my Ellis saw.
 

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A small "ironworker" will make real fast work of your light flats & angle, but no help on your tubing.
 

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