Better or Not - B3000 cab?

[WaxMan]

Has anyone checked out or purchased the new b3000 cab?
Wondering if it's any quieter and tighter sealed from outside dust?
Mine has 653 hrs on it now with only a worn out cutting edge and with all that Wax build up, I may be thinking of going new if there's a large enough improvement in the cab.
I have to get to the dealer and check one out for myself, anyone already do that?

 

[Ductape]

My brother in-law has been shopping them. I don't think you'll see much of an improvement since it's the same cab. Seems I recall they were claiming to add some sound insulation, but it couldn't have been much.

I'd think a few pieces of Dynamat added to yours would be alot easier than starting over with the same tractor.

PS..... just so you are aware, the B3000HSDC has really been stripped down. To get the nice three point hitch, cab lights, suspension seat, position control, etc ....... you must get the B3000HSDCC. Sham.

 

[WaxMan]

If you look here at the third picture showing the floor.

http://www.kubota.com/product/B3000/pdf/b3000_features.pdf

It looks like the floor was redesigned the hump is smaller and round then it has that gray cover thing.
It's not the sound that bothers me as much as the dirt entering the cab although quieter would be nice too.

Some have said just having the positive pressure in the cab will keep the dirt out.
Not true, It only works when there is no dirt to keep out. The tiny squirrel cage blower in the roof is no match compared to the engine fan blowing back the dirt from grading back and fourth toward the open cab crevices . It comes in from behind the dash, pedals ,wire openings and thru the cracks in the floor. Just lift up the floor mat (how'd that dirt get under there?)
That is what I hope has been improved.

There's no problem when plowing snow or bringing up a load of firewood or spreading mulch etc. But if your grading dirt for 1-2 hours or more the a/c is on the dust is just going round and round inside that cab. I find it best to just use the top side vents, That helps a little to prevent the dirt build up on the floor from each previous use blowing around making matters worse. Or grade in the rain that works well and your happy you have a cab.

I would imagine grading dirt back and fourth with an open station is a dirty job also, maybe worse.

You would think for 38K these only two complaints I ever heard about a B3030 (noise and dirt) were improved. The only dirt entering the cab should be from your feet.
Sorry for the long rant I'm sure I said all this all before somewhere.
The reason I asked the question Better or Not. I have been grading dirt the last couple of weeks, Oh the memories.

 

[Ductape]

I looked at the one my BIL tried out in the dealers lot. I don't remember anything looking different about the floor, but its not far from here so I may take another look-see. I wasn't impressed by all the stuff they removed that was standard on the 3030. Didn't seem that the price went down from any from the 3030 after losing all the goodies. Just forces more people to spend the money on the CC I guess. :confused2:

 

[WaxMan]

I looked at the one my BIL tried out in the dealers lot. I don't remember anything looking different about the floor, but its not far from here so I may take another look-see. I wasn't impressed by all the stuff they removed that was standard on the 3030. Didn't seem that the price went down from any from the 3030 after losing all the goodies. Just forces more people to spend the money on the CC I guess. :confused2:

Well I guess you know by now I'm an accessory guy so I would get the one with all the options anyway.
If you do go again Ask the dealer if you could try it around the yard, with your experience in your own 3030 you would be able to tell right off the bat should be night and day.
If is hard for you to tell any difference then the improvements didn't help much. Also if the floor looks the same as yours It may be a relabeled B3030 and not a B3000. Closest dealer for me is 1hr one way maybe 45 mins. I may take a ride since I noticed a dent in my transmission filter.
If there was a big improvement I may consider buying what ever part of the cab was improved even if it cost a 1k or so and a days work may be better then (guessing) 12-15k to change tractors. I have a cab parts manual for my b3030 I could compare with the cab parts manual for the b3000 and see just what's different. It's just nuts and bolts holding it together how hard would it be?

 

[PSDStu]

If you look here at the third picture showing the floor.

http://www.kubota.com/product/B3000/pdf/b3000_features.pdf

It looks like the floor was redesigned the hump is smaller and round then it has that gray cover thing.
It's not the sound that bothers me as much as the dirt entering the cab although quieter would be nice too.

Some have said just having the positive pressure in the cab will keep the dirt out.
Not true, It only works when there is no dirt to keep out. The tiny squirrel cage blower in the roof is no match compared to the engine fan blowing back the dirt from grading back and fourth toward the open cab crevices . It comes in from behind the dash, pedals ,wire openings and thru the cracks in the floor. Just lift up the floor mat (how'd that dirt get under there?)
That is what I hope has been improved.

There's no problem when plowing snow or bringing up a load of firewood or spreading mulch etc. But if your grading dirt for 1-2 hours or more the a/c is on the dust is just going round and round inside that cab. I find it best to just use the top side vents, That helps a little to prevent the dirt build up on the floor from each previous use blowing around making matters worse. Or grade in the rain that works well and your happy you have a cab.

I would imagine grading dirt back and fourth with an open station is a dirty job also, maybe worse.

You would think for 38K these only two complaints I ever heard about a B3030 (noise and dirt) were improved. The only dirt entering the cab should be from your feet.
Sorry for the long rant I'm sure I said all this all before somewhere.
The reason I asked the question Better or Not. I have been grading dirt the last couple of weeks, Oh the memories.

I hear ya about the dirt/noise issue....... the hydro whine is very annoying, along with the very dusty interior conditions...... I also am not a big fan of the seat in my B3030 cab..... when these items are compared to the cab of my M5040 I used to have......it is like night and day.......

 

[srs]

Waxman, I don't think the B3000 will be much quieter than the B3030. The hydro transmission makes most of the noise, especially at higher rpm's (like when I'm cutting the grass). When you visit the dealer check out the L3240 cabbed tractor with the HST+, you'll notice a huge difference in the sound levels and how tight the interior is. Sure wish the HST+ was offered in the B series. Let us know what you think, we value your opinion. Stanley

 

[radair]

..... just so you are aware, the B3000HSDC has really been stripped down. To get the nice three point hitch, cab lights, suspension seat, position control, etc ....... you must get the B3000HSDCC. Sham.

My dealer (Wescott & Sons, Gorham, Maine) says they only carry the HSDCC. The slight increase in cost is well worth it anyway.

The HST whine is pretty loud at typical PTO RPMs as others have noted. Not sure there is a significant improvement over the B3030. I use an ipod with sound deadening headphones over the earbuds if I'm snowblowing or bush hogging.

I do love this tractor. Compared to my BX23 the increase in loader and backhoe power is impressive.

 

[WaxMan]

Thanks Stanley
Ok I took the trip to the dealer today pulled in the yard Darn no b3030's outside go inside and sure enough in the showroom was a brand spanking NEW B3000 cab tractor.
I walked over to it and soon found out it was just like mine only not as shiny. (a waxing joke)
What I was looking at was a b3030 cab rebranded as a B3000 I checked it over pulled up the mat same floor ,same holes, same everything
Looked underneath just steel no added insulation nothing a B3030 is what it is. I know my B3030 intimately and this New B3000 was a B3030
Could it be all Kubota did was change one digit on the hood the 3 to 0 and called it the "New" Kubota cab model But in my opinion this is an existing b3030 model. I doubt any changes were made to the tractor to add the optional backhoe other then a separate frame made to fit the tractor.
In my opinion this was done to get rid of the remaining stock of b3030 cab models. Since the floor is the same as mine. Unless that picture in the Kubota PDF is false. I don't think it is.

The reason I say all this is in the PDF picture number 3 ,
http://www.kubota.com/product/B3000/pdf/b3000_features.pdf
What's that show? That's not my floor, is it yours? Yet the tractor today had my floor.
Driving away I said to myself I should have looked to see if any sign the 3 was scraped off and a 0 was stuck in it's place on the hood.
Why change the model name if nothing else, if you ask me 3030 sounds better sounding more powerful then simply 3000
Only time will tell if I am right. In the next few months if you get the chance check out the B3000's if you find one or have one with the updated cab floor please post your finding here.

If you notice on the Kubota site they got rid of the 3030 cab model but not the B3030 open station Why, because all they changed was the cab model, (according to the PDF posted above) But I guess only on the ones we haven't seen yet? I could be full of it but time will tell.
I remember when I first heard about the B3000 in fact it's posted somewhere here on TBN the Kubota web site then listed both the B3030 cab and the New B3000 cab Model Now it's only the B3000. Did they sell out of the b3030's and now were left with only B3000 and the PDF is just a mistake? Or do we just now call them all B3000's


Is there a history of Kubota changing the Model Name and nothing else? The PDF of the floor kinda backs me up on this mystery. The picture shows a dramatically different floor then the B3030 Why didn't I see that floor today on a labeled B3000 cab.
Happy to hear other views.

 

[Ductape]

I think we can only speculate, but........................


I'm guessing Kubota felt there really wasn't enough 'need' to update much on the B3030 (though I think the under-seat style loader valve on the B3200 would have been nice). I think there was some discussion here on the 'improved' B3000 cab...... and there was one new piece of foam under the roof panel?? I agree the picture of the floor is different. My guess is that the picture is from something available (but not neccessarily a B3030 nor B3000) in Japan, or maybe Europe. Odd for sure. As far as I can tell, the model change was just to allow them to cheapen the deluxe tractor to meet a price point in an appempt to get some people into a cab who might not pay the exta otherwise. Silly thing is, they removed all the 'deluxe' stuff and the price on the B3000 was never really any cheaper than the B3030 was the previous year. I have no doubt Kubota could make the B series cab quieter and even more comfortable than the Grand L cab....... but would anyone be willing to pay the price for it?? In any event, I don't think you will see a different cab on the B3000 in a year while they 'use up' the old cabs. I don't think there is any new cab coming on the B series for at least another four years (if even then)..... about when it's time for an update.

As far as the Kubota backhoe.... i'm sure you are right. All they did was make a longer subframe so they could finally sell a backhoe with the cabbed tractor. Look at all the backhoe sales they have missed out on by letting Woods be the only one on the market.